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#81 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:38 PM

There are different theories as to where Tigers comes from. When you described Leicester's kit, you didn't mention stripes.

Zebras run away at the first sign of a predator, it is hardly a bit of macho boasting about how hard you are.


the pirates joined the league 5 years before SL

isn't that what wingers do us speed and evasion?
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:57 PM

the pirates joined the league 5 years before SL


I know, that's more or less what I said.

isn't that what wingers do us speed and evasion?


Indeed traditional animal rugby names like Springbok and Kangaroos / Wallabies tended to emphasize grace and elusiveness. Modern ones seem to be about smashing people.

Traditional nicknames that were "large animals" were for other reasons like the names of pubs or the colours on the shirt. I don't recall any synonyms for Warriors at all.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:07 PM

I know, that's more or less what I said.



Indeed traditional animal rugby names like Springbok and Kangaroos / Wallabies tended to emphasize grace and elusiveness. Modern ones seem to be about smashing people.

Traditional nicknames that were "large animals" were for other reasons like the names of pubs or the colours on the shirt. I don't recall any synonyms for Warriors at all.




then whethger it is a long time or not is a pure value judgement.

saracens?

what makes a name 'traditional'?

Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 19 November 2012 - 09:08 PM.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:13 PM

I think 5 years is a short time when we are considering the period 1870-1995.

A Saracen is an Arab, it's neither an animal nor a warrior. I don't know the origin of the name but again it probably has something to do with the colour of the shirts that they wore.

Traditional in 1995 meant "not invented in 1995".

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:48 PM

then whethger it is a long time or not is a pure value judgement.

saracens?

what makes a name 'traditional'?

According to Webster's "relating to or based on very old customs, beliefs, or stories"

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:12 PM

According to Webster's "relating to or based on very old customs, beliefs, or stories"


how old is very old?

rugby league, despite the reactionary negative elements within it has traditions of innovation, adaptation and change-hence we don't play rugby union.
therefrore doiung something because you did it before, doesn't make it right, and it doesn't make it traditional either.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:14 PM

I think 5 years is a short time when we are considering the period 1870-1995.

A Saracen is an Arab, it's neither an animal nor a warrior. I don't know the origin of the name but again it probably has something to do with the colour of the shirts that they wore.

Traditional in 1995 meant "not invented in 1995".

yes you do: it's your value judgement, others have different value judgements
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:18 PM

yes you do: it's your value judgement, others have different value judgements


It's 6.3% of the time period being discussed and that's an objective fact.

edit: actually 4% bloody calculator

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:28 AM

Amusingly, Saracens were called that because the Old Boys of the Philological School in Marylebone liked the star and crescent.(*)

They later merged with the Crusaders.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:00 AM

It's 6.3% of the time period being discussed and that's an objective fact.

edit: actually 4% bloody calculator


how would a 4% pay cut feel?
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:54 AM

Zebra I would imagine refers to the shirt as Zebras aren't a dangerous animal.

Yes - Workington RUFC play in black and white.
Looks like it wer' organised by't Pennine League

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:55 AM

There used to be an amateur club in London called Hornsey Lambs - tough team :D
Looks like it wer' organised by't Pennine League

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:11 AM

It was slightly different in that those nicknames / monikers tended to come about naturally e.g. Swinton Lions after the lions pub or the need to differentiate themselves from other sides like Rochdale FC / RFC (don't know which). They weren't created with the thought of flogging T-shirts or creating mascots. City Reds has that feel even if it was adopted in 1998.
how Fev ended up as Rovers but I like it.

IIRC The Rochdale Hornets club was an amalgamation of 2 or 3 clubs thus they wanted a new name and I think they wanted to differentiate themselves from another rugby club, Rochdale Rovers / Rangers. This happened in 1871.

Rochdale RUFC were formed in 1921.

Littleborough RUFC were formed as Old Rochdalians (from the grammar school) some time in the 20th century. You didn't have to have attended the grammar school to play for them but non-old boys were not allowed become full members and could not take part in any votes.

Rochdale FC were formed in 1907.
Looks like it wer' organised by't Pennine League

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:01 PM

how would a 4% pay cut feel?


Better than a 96% one.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:15 PM

Better than a 96% one.

:D
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:48 PM

Yes - Workington RUFC play in black and white.


Correct - the Zebras are Workington RUFC and nothing to do with Town whose original colours were red and green hoops.
Workington RUFC seconds are known as the Quaggas, which is a sub-species of the plains zebra and now extinct.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:41 PM

Not entirely extinct. They are being reintroduced.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:05 AM

agreed: I mean Hornets FFS, what sort of a monicker is that? When did you ever see a hornet flying around Rochdale. You might get the odd bored wasp in gregg's window.
And Rovers. I don't recall a pirate ship sailing down station lane Fev even after eight pints on a saturday night in the Central Club.

makes you sick.


Weren't there a team called Wigan Zephyrs or Wigan Butterflies?

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:09 AM

Weren't there a team called Wigan Zephyrs or Wigan Butterflies?


there's been all sorts Matt

and let's not forget Preston Grasshoppers in Union and the Mighty Bongers(easily the best) and Uno's Dabs in the Northern Union.
My grandad played for Purston White Horse.

Featherstone Rovers almmost became renamed Featherstone Lionhearts in honour of a brand of smokeless fuel produced by RJB mining in the 1990s
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:17 PM

There used to be an amateur club in London called Hornsey Lambs - tough team :D

I think they evolved into the Skolars. Could be wrong, mind. I'm sure IM2 will confirm if he reads this.
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