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#41 Wolford6

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:48 PM

Not only Welsh, they included a Gloucester man, Pvt Henry Hook who won a VC are Rorkes Drift and poorly portrayed in the film (he was not a drunkard).


Though brilliantly played by Richard Booth in the film.

Look here you: -
- every top notch action film needs a character who's a rogue that achieves redemption.
- Zulu was produced by Stanley Baker who was from Ferndale. He knew that all Welshmen are fundamentally nice and, as he will have supported Pontypridd, he was never going to pass up the golden opportunity to make the Gloucester man look bad.
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#42 Severus

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 04:06 PM

Though brilliantly played by Richard Booth in the film.

Look here you: -
- every top notch action film needs a character who's a rogue that achieves redemption.
- Zulu was produced by Stanley Baker who was from Ferndale. He knew that all Welshmen are fundamentally nice and, as he will have supported Pontypridd, he was never going to pass up the golden opportunity to make the Gloucester man look bad.
;) :D


:D

Richard Booth's Gloucester accent sounded very much like a cockney though :angry:

Edited by Severus, 27 November 2012 - 04:06 PM.

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#43 yanto

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 05:23 PM

Bit confusing in Cumbria. This was the flag of Cumberland
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When the counties were messed about with in the seventies, the Cumbria County Council produced this flag for Cumbria
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But I've never seen it flown, so not quite sure what the county flag is now.

As for Hertfordshire, where I live now, I often wondered why they had waves in the background, as we are a fair bit off the sea.
Then I found out it represented the 'eight mighty rivers' that flow through the county.
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As for feeling alegiance to one county or another, for some reason that I can't put into words I am fiercely proud and protective towards my county of birth, Cumbria, but feel little towards the county that I moved to, Herts, and have lived in for most of my life (but to make it even more weird, I don't think I would move back up to Cumbria and leave the life I have down here in Hertfordshire.)


Top flag is Cumbria and number 13 on the original list is them farm folk from down the lakes,Westmorland.
The old Cumberland flag (not sure how old) was
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#44 Methven Hornet

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 05:39 PM

Top flag is Cumbria and number 13 on the original list is them farm folk from down the lakes,Westmorland.
The old Cumberland flag (not sure how old) was
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Has a Scottish/Shetland and Greek feel to it - and much better than the more modern designs.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:08 PM

Like the kilt, invented by an English fella in the 18th century.


Like many Anglo-Saxon myths, " probably dates back no further than the start of the 1800s"! :D
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#46 Methven Hornet

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:32 PM

As anything other than a 'ceremonial county' or whatever they're called?


The Welsh counties are "preserved" for ceremonial/lieutenancy/shrievalty purposes, but isn't this really what counties are for (as opposed to acting as one basis for local administration)?.
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#47 T-Dub

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:58 PM

I love flags, especially old ones
Has anyone got a link of where to find that map of the UK that had John Bull as England and a very tartan, Scottish looking Scot as Scotland etc, please?

#48 T-Dub

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 07:05 PM

It isn't really for me, as a citizen of Scotland


Aren't you a citizen of a city and a national of a country?

(Sorry, I thought Id start early before the usual hair splitting, "actually, Great Britain includes the archipelligo of the Scilly Isles but not the crown dependancy of Rockall" etc and seeing as there is no Isle of Man on the map, beautiful though it is)

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 07:26 PM

I was born in Salford, Lancashire*, grew up in Greater Manchester, spent most of my working life in Middlesex, and now live in EAST Sussex.

*Salford was in Lancashire up until Gtr M/cr was introduced, I still put it on official forms when it asks for my Place of Birth, & got a nasty letter back from Passport Agency when I renewed last, I wrote back to them and informed them in words of few letters that when I was born (50 years ago) Salford WAS still in Lancashire.


That was what I thought, too. I still do, but I've checked my birth certificate and it states "Birth in the Sub-District of SALFORD WEST in the COUNTY BOROUGH OF SALFORD", with no mention at all of Lancashire anywhere on the document. (Note: The capitalised words are stamped onto the form, the others are pre-printed.) I feel strangely disappointed now. I AM A LANCASTRIAN!

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#50 Methven Hornet

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 09:09 PM

That was what I thought, too. I still do, but I've checked my birth certificate and it states "Birth in the Sub-District of SALFORD WEST in the COUNTY BOROUGH OF SALFORD", with no mention at all of Lancashire anywhere on the document. (Note: The capitalised words are stamped onto the form, the others are pre-printed.) I feel strangely disappointed now. I AM A LANCASTRIAN!


That is because Salford, as it was a county borough, was, in effect, a county in terms of local government services (including civil registration). For all other purposes - ceremonial, lieutenancy, shrievalty, ALLEGIANCE! - Salford was in Lancashire at that time.
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#51 tonyXIII

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 09:27 PM

That is because Salford, as it was a county borough, was, in effect, a county in terms of local government services (including civil registration). For all other purposes - ceremonial, lieutenancy, shrievalty, ALLEGIANCE! - Salford was in Lancashire at that time.


Wonderful words! "Shrievalty" and "Allegiance"! And Bleep's point is correct - no amount of Boundary Commission tinkering can change the fact that when he was born, he was born in Salford, which was in Lancashire. Whether it is now or not is irrelevant.

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#52 Methven Hornet

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 09:40 PM

Aren't you a citizen of a city and a national of a country?


I'm just outside the boundary of the city of Perth. I'm a citizen of Scotland and the UK.
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#53 WearyRhino

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:42 PM

The current weather conditions are giving everyone the chance to know what it feels like to be a Lancastrian for a few days.


Not sure how a bit inclement weather can make you develop an, entirely merited, inferiority complex towards your neighbour immediately to the east.

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#54 gingerjon

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:27 AM

Like many Anglo-Saxon myths, " probably dates back no further than the start of the 1800s"! :D


Most of the UK's pageantry and ancient tradition can be blamed on Prince Albert, I believe.

The very idea of a unified Scottish people starts just before then.
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#55 Methven Hornet

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:10 PM

Most of the UK's pageantry and ancient tradition can be blamed on Prince Albert, I believe.

The very idea of a unified Scottish people starts just before then.


Nah, we were still 'North British' at that time. :rolleyes:
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#56 gingerjon

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:08 AM

Nah, we were still 'North British' at that time. :rolleyes:


Nah, just busy killing each other at Culloden.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:03 PM

im yorkshire first and formost and i suppose that makes me english but its only yorkshire i feel any aligance to in my heart.
my son and his wife who had been living in the usa for 3 years came back to yorkshire so my grandson could be born in yorkshire and his wife loves the county so much they have moved here back for good now..

after all theres only 3 kinds of people in the world those born in yorkshire, those that wish they were born in yorkshire and those that dont count.

its also a fact that if hitler had come to yorkshire instead of liverpool there would have been no 2nd world war as he would have soon realised there was already a master race there called yorkshire folk
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:31 AM

im yorkshire first and formost and i suppose that makes me english but its only yorkshire i feel any aligance to in my heart.
my son and his wife who had been living in the usa for 3 years came back to yorkshire so my grandson could be born in yorkshire and his wife loves the county so much they have moved here back for good now..

after all theres only 3 kinds of people in the world those born in yorkshire, those that wish they were born in yorkshire and those that dont count.

its also a fact that if hitler had come to yorkshire instead of liverpool there would have been no 2nd world war as he would have soon realised there was already a master race there called yorkshire folk

Looks like the discussion endeth there folks.

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#59 Wiltshire Rhino

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:07 AM

its also a fact that if hitler had come to yorkshire instead of liverpool there would have been no 2nd world war as he would have soon realised there was already a master race there called yorkshire folk

But their spelling (they're not there) and lack of appropriate capital letters proves otherwise.
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#60 Severus

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:28 AM

im yorkshire first and formost and i suppose that makes me english but its only yorkshire i feel any aligance to in my heart.
my son and his wife who had been living in the usa for 3 years came back to yorkshire so my grandson could be born in yorkshire and his wife loves the county so much they have moved here back for good now..

after all theres only 3 kinds of people in the world those born in yorkshire, those that wish they were born in yorkshire and those that dont count.

its also a fact that if hitler had come to yorkshire instead of liverpool there would have been no 2nd world war as he would have soon realised there was already a master race there called yorkshire folk

People often move away from Yorkshire and then move back because the modern world scares them :P
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