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[Marauder]

Shows how little you know about the game when you come out with such statements which are wrong. Luke Robinson, Gareth Widdop, Stuart Fielden, Joe Wardle, Adam O´brien, Scott Grix, Simon Grix, Jacob Fairbank, Niall Evalds are all from Halifax and all in SL or NRL first team squads. Maybe theres others dont know as havent really looked too much at who is signed up for 2013. Daniel Fleming is at Cas but will be loaned to Batley this year. Others Halifax lads like England Academy player James Saltonstall alongside Zak Dewhurst, William Milner, Josh Casey and Alex Mellor are at SL U18s teams and have also all represented England. There are others as well from Halifax at U18s teams. Then of course there are many professionals playing in the Championship both with Halifax like Sam Barlow, Luke Ambler, Anthony bowman and others elsewhere like James Haley, Liam Finn and Byrom Smith. Also Siddal have one of the best amateur clubs in the UK and Elland and Ovenden also play in the National Conference. So how has London produced far more professionals than Halifax? Or are you just trying to wind people up? hahaha

Can we claim the Grixes, their dad is from Thorne.

[Marauder]

Same amount of time???

Halifax were formed in 1873?? London have 107 years to go to catch up with that.

Same amount of money???

How much more money does Junior RL in the south east of the country receive over junior RL in Halifax??

You know a bit about Donny - who did Ian Kirke start with and where did he develop as a professional?

Was it at Doncaster RLFC?

You know exactly what I mean Padge, sorry Parky!!! For someone who claims to be Hunslet to the core it does seem you've lost the will and like many more from the industrial heart of Leeds have thrown your hat well and truely in the Rhinos camp...................It's not Gary is it ?

You also for some reason seem to think because a junior player hone's his core skills at a pro clubs academy that his early conditioning at the amateur club who gave the young lad the chance to get involved with the sport counts for nothing, I've seen a lot of the coaches at amateur clubs that are far better than many at the pro club academies.

The only club in Donny with a conveyor belt of juniors is Toll Bar and at a guess I'd say he would have gone to Hull FC along with most Toll Bar juniors of his age group and would have gone through the South Yorkshire service area with the likes of Peter & Wayne Green, Craig Lawton, Daz & Liam Higgins and Co)

Edited by Marauder, 08 December 2012 - 01:02 PM.

[Padge]

You know exactly what I mean Padge, sorry Parky!!! For someone who claims to be Hunslet to the core it does seem you've lost the will and like many more from the industrial heart of Leeds have thrown your hat well and truely in the Rhinos camp...................It's not Gary is it ?

You really are barking up the wrong tree.

[keighley]

Yes that's right.

Rich men do not settle for second best so either they pick up a Superleague club like Leeds, Wire or Wigan...

Or they pick up a CC club like Hull.K.R, or Widnes and make it into a Superkeague club.

Thing is HKR and Widnes are big clubs in my lifetime who had big potential to get back to the top.

Rich men would not touch actual CC/small clubs like keighley and Hunslet.

We have to live with this my friend

Never won nowt much York were once in the top division did that make them a big club? In your mind yes

Won dozens of trophies Wigan were once a CC club for a year- were they a small club that year? In your mind yes

Rich men want to invest in big clubs and do.

Small clubs dont get rich men investing.

Focus on this carefully and stop focusing on me.

Who was the poster saying there were no critical and negative posts about CC clubs. Here is a prime example. The worst kind of zealot, one who transferred his allegiance from Hunslet to Leeds and feels a need to justify his decision.

[keighley]

No not really.

London produce far more professionals than Halifax.

Halifax draw around 2,000 fans.

I've been in the odd Thrum Hall crowd with several thousand Leeds fans. (geddit?)

CC clubs do well crowd wise when the big away side is down the road.

ANYWAY it's past your bedtime....

London as a city, a mega city, produces more professional players than Halifax. Given the size of the two in comparison to each other so it should.

For the unmpteenth time of telling though, it is not London broncos who produce all these players. It is the large amateur base 30 miles away in North and South east London, Greenwich, South London Storm, Haringey, Medway etc who produce the players thanks to the volunteers who tirelessly run these clubs and the RL development officers, if there are any left after the recent cuts, wwho find and nuture these players in the game of RL.

Broncos get to cherry pick the best of those for their SL team but they don't develop them.

[keighley]

Try finding a CC club that gets bigger crowds than London Broncos and produces more professional players???

Go on try.........

Let me know when you can't find anyone.

You know the Broncos once averaged 5,400 fans.

Try finding CC clubs that could match that??

I would hazard a guess tghat half their crowds are away supporters. What do you think they woulod average if they were in the championships. The last time they were there it was about 700. I cpould find a bunch of CC clubs that could match that.

[keighley]

1. I noticed that. I have this feeling that their hatred clouds their judgement to some extent...

Well thinking about it, maybe to a large extent.....

Erm well, thinking about it again, to such an extreme extent they argue black is white....

e.g if Pro SL collapsed grass roots interest will not flounder and GB semi pros will do better against Australia.

2. I don't think any level headed well mannered person would stoop so low as to let their petty jealousies cloud their judgement

Is that a self analysis in point 2.?

[keighley]

I am of course indebted to your kind reply.

I plead guilty to being a tad careless with my post.

However I like the idea Halifax when playing well could only manage 5,000 when they didn't have the honour of a lot of away fans coming from just oop t' road.

Bit like London who equally could manage 5,000 when they were playing well but were however playing well 200 miles from M62 Land and away fans.

I do remember when Halifax were playing poorly in SL they averaged 2,977 with the advantage of many away fans a car ride away.

So maybe there's nothing in it crowds wise.

That leaves the RFL deciding which club can bring on the most professionals to expand the player pool.

No contest.....

The 200 miles away argument is bogus. SL fans from up North used to go to London to watch their team play the London SL side in their thousands. They made it a real day out before the advent of the Perpignan trip as the big day out. They were and still are a major proportion of London's SL crowds,.

As far as the most professionals argument goes, its the amateur game that produces the professiionals not the Broncos and furthermore the Broncos record on the field would suggest that the quality of professionals they are producing is not so high and maybe some are just making up the numbers and some are not of the same calibre as the professionals being snapped up in the North.

[keighley]

I forgot to mention that also apart from the dead ones there are those that have been stolen by Bradford, Huddersfield, Leeds and keighley.

Do you have any evidence that Halifax people in any numbers cross over the hills to support Keighley.? The Cougars gates would suggest they don't.

[keighley]

Shows how you twist things.

You know full well how it works so don't twist it.

Halifax Junior RL is a magnificent organisation that produces top quality players who are signed up and developed by various SL clubs.

Hunslet is also a fine area for Leeds to scout professional quality talent for their Superleague academy and ultimately the first team squad.

Where Halifax and Hunslet RLFC come into It I don't know? Do you??

Same thing applies in London. Where the Broncos come into it I don't know.

[keighley]

I'll stop when you can answer a simple question.

When people become personal and offensive is the point when they have no answer other than to attack the questioner.

Quite. The phrase " You silly little man" comes to mind.

[keighley]

So would Andy Gregory not have access to full-time training if he was around today? You're making a false comparison.

Wasn't he a full time professional at the only full time professional club at that time, namely Wigan ?

[Pottsy]

Wasn't he a full time professional at the only full time professional club at that time, namely Wigan ?

I think the definition/expectation of full-time pro 20 yrs ago is very different to what it is today.

[The Parksider]

Same thing applies in London. Where the Broncos come into it I don't know.

What an incredibly silly thing to say?

The Broncos run the academy system and offer full time careers to the best local amateur lads who make it through.

If you don't know that you shouldn't be on here.

[The Parksider]

Quite. The phrase " You silly little man" comes to mind.

Stop being silly like above then. BTW you added the "little" didn't you

Tell me what you want, because you can at times be honest.

Do you want to carry on bashing Superleague like the rest of them, and then bashing me, or shall we discuss how we can get a meaningful system of P & R going in which the "divide" is reduced to attain all inclusiveness?

[The Parksider]

You also for some reason seem to think because a junior player hone's his core skills at a pro clubs academy that his early conditioning at the amateur club who gave the young lad the chance to get involved with the sport counts for nothing,

You didn't get it.

The point was amateur clubs find 'em and teach 'em the game and professional clubs develop 'em into professionals.

The problem is some people think the championship clubs are in that system somewhere.They aren't, they feed off the scraps.

championship clubs need to decide what they want to do. Be "A" teams of bigger SL neighbours, or be independent and aim to be professional clubs.

RFL/SLE need to see how they can include the latter.

People on here would do well to discuss this rather than make stuff up about how awful Superleague is.

Especially when they really want to be in it.

Edited by The Parksider, 08 December 2012 - 02:46 PM.

[The Parksider]

2. I don't think any level headed well mannered person would stoop so low as to let their petty jealousies cloud their judgement

ANYWAY it's past your bedtime....

Sorry you were offended. I've cut and paste your comments to help your memory if you're feeling delicate this morning. With that kind of attitude you attract it.

And I guess the question you are referring to is the pointless one about where we might be if the earth was flat?

I wouldn't try to use a little joke I had with Marauder who took it in the sense it was meant as some sort of get out, it's rather pathetic.

The question that you and you ilk won't answer will lead you to the answer as regards the value of Superleague.

It's pretty much the game's saviour.

So we need to accept it and discuss how it can be more inclusive of those clubs who seriously want to compete in it.

[Dave T]

Who was the poster saying there were no critical and negative posts about CC clubs. Here is a prime example. The worst kind of zealot, one who transferred his allegiance from Hunslet to Leeds and feels a need to justify his decision.

it was me, and i did acknowledge that there were exceptions. I had no idea Parksider supported Leeds.

[Padge]

Do you have any evidence that Halifax people in any numbers cross over the hills to support Keighley.? The Cougars gates would suggest they don't.

The tone of my post would suggest I don't know and indicate also it was very tongue in cheek (though accusations of "stealing" supporters are common), sorry for forgetting the appropriate smiley.

[Padge]

it was me, and i did acknowledge that there were exceptions. I had no idea Parksider supported Leeds.

Watches Leeds seems to be more appropriate if I understand his postings.

Edited by Padge, 08 December 2012 - 09:55 PM.