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#821 The Parksider

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:24 AM

The RFL and the introduction of SL killed clubs like ours because we wouldn't do what they wanted I.e join forces with our near neighbours and form a team called Calder or something stupid like that. We wanted to be featherstone rovers not a union. So we get stuffed on for wanting to be featherstone rovers and not do what the RFL want.


So the RFL/SLE stuffed Fev then????

Did they stuff Cas and Wakey as well? No they are in SL

What stuffed Fev was the club stopped producing the great players of old.

#822 Trojan

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:49 AM

So the RFL/SLE stuffed Fev then????

Did they stuff Cas and Wakey as well? No they are in SL

What stuffed Fev was the club stopped producing the great players of old.

But you said it was the amateur sides that produced the great players. What's different is that amateurs instead of opting to start their careers at Fev, (or their equivalent local side) which in the days when Fev played in the top flght they did before perhaps moving on, they now start at Leeds etc. Robbie Burrow is a prime example, played for Fev Lions, as are the Briscoes. Whiting at Hull and Danny Kirmond did play for Fev but were signed by SL clubs for a song.
What's wrong is there's no convenient way back for these teams. Bradford City are pushing for a way back, in two or three seasons they could be back in the Premiership, given their crowds there's nothing really to stop them. The same does not apply to similarly placed RL sides. That's what I object to.
Fev have had three very good seasons. But Stuart Dickens, the man Darryl called in to steady the ship if things got rocky has gone. it remains to be seen if they are still as good without him. If they aren't what then? But what if Fev are? What if they have the money, the record, the ground and jump through all the other hoops to qualify for a franchise? Does that mean that someone already in is to dropped? Why? What if they also fulfil the criteria? It's a senseless system.

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#823 Trojan

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:55 AM

error

Edited by Trojan, 11 December 2012 - 08:59 AM.

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#824 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:06 AM

Chris. One again you're bringing in your fav question when fev is mentioned. Repeatedly you keep attempting to lever tangent questions into threads that aren't a supplement/info to the direction of the thread but a complete de-rail which is infuriating to the forum user. I have no intention of getting involved in that question on this thread or others you try and de-rail.
As for the other stuff.... not on a public forum Chris.


Of course you can please yourself

But the point is that when it suits you and others fairness, justice, and that big favourite of yours 'morality' is invoked repeatedly(apparently repetition is ok for some but not others). Yet nobody bats an eyelid when your club is sponsored by a company that specialises in tax avoidance for the rich. Personally I don't care but then again I don't whine about the immorality and unfairness of the way the game is run when the game is run in a way that doesn't confirm a narrow 'entrenched'(your word) parochial self serving view of things.
As for the rest, well that's just fine
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#825 Johnoco

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:11 AM

There is a hell of a lot more stopping Bradford City getting to the PL than on field events. They get decent crowds on the back of cheap season tickets, which doesn't bring much money in really. They are badly in need of cash and don't even own their ground and owe a former director several arms and legs. And all this after multi millions from their time in the PL?

But do carry on using them as a good example with which to beat RL with.


nb I now have a 25 year season ticket for Bradford City.

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#826 Robin Evans

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:19 AM

Of course you can please yourself

But the point is that when it suits you and others fairness, justice, and that big favourite of yours 'morality' is invoked repeatedly(apparently repetition is ok for some but not others). Yet nobody bats an eyelid when your club is sponsored by a company that specialises in tax avoidance for the rich. Personally I don't care but then again I don't whine about the immorality and unfairness of the way the game is run when the game is run in a way that doesn't confirm a narrow 'entrenched'(your word) parochial self serving view of things.
As for the rest, well that's just fine

If the topic you keep trying derail threads with is important to you, start another thread rather then selfishly spoiling the thread for everyone Chris.
Then that topic can be discussed til your hearts content.
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#827 The Parksider

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:37 AM

But you said it was the amateur sides that produced the great players. What's different is that amateurs instead of opting to start their careers at Fev, (or their equivalent local side) which in the days when Fev played in the top flght they did before perhaps moving on, they now start at Leeds etc. Robbie Burrow is a prime example, played for Fev Lions, as are the Briscoes. Whiting at Hull and Danny Kirmond did play for Fev but were signed by SL clubs for a song.


Well I agree 100% with you. But you used to develop whole teams of quality Fev players. Times change.

I agree with you 100% players are now mobile so they will go straight to the Superleague.

Sadly we can't turn that clock back.

#828 Robin Evans

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:42 AM

Well I agree 100% with you. But you used to develop whole teams of quality Fev players. Times change.

I agree with you 100% players are now mobile so they will go straight to the Superleague.

Sadly we can't turn that clock back.

What stuffed Fev what was not down to one reason but a complex mix of a whole host of reasons. All I want is an equitable opportunity to watch Fev play at the highest level. I may yet get that opportunity. We'll see.
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#829 The Parksider

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:45 AM

What stuffed Fev what was not down to one reason but a complex mix of a whole host of reasons. All I want is an equitable opportunity to watch Fev play at the highest level. I may yet get that opportunity. We'll see.


I'd love for you to set out your analysis.

I also believe you should get your chance 2015. It's overdue now.

For me there may be many factors but once players were able to share cars and then buy their own the local club lost it's link to the greatest assets any club has......

#830 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:47 AM

If the topic you keep trying derail threads with is important to you, start another thread rather then selfishly spoiling the thread for everyone Chris.
Then that topic can be discussed til your hearts content.


Nothing is being 'derailed' my comment was a direct response to yours about not being bothered who your clubs sponsor is.

I'm surprised that someone with your finely honed sense of justice and morality hasn't already raised the topic

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#831 LOWFIELD

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:46 PM

Surely it matters a lot in terms of fairness and 'morality'- a term you and others use frequently when talking about rugby league when it suits.

What are your views on tax avoidance by the rich?

Or am I being a ###### in a swimming pool/clown/someone who gets into games for free.
If my friends are being lied about and abused I stand up for them. Do you?



One good thing is if you have stopped going to Rovers at least the gate reciepts wont be effected AND Rovers will still have to pay the same amount in tax

#832 LOWFIELD

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:56 PM

Surely it matters a lot in terms of fairness and 'morality'- a term you and others use frequently when talking about rugby league when it suits.

What are your views on tax avoidance by the rich?

Or am I being a ###### in a swimming pool/clown/someone who gets into games for free.
If my friends are being lied about and abused I stand up for them. Do you?


What are your views on people that do voluntary work but still have to declare any benefit in kind to the tax man, even if they dont actually owe him anything. Also if a said person did not declare the benefit in kind would you say that was a kind of tax avoidance

Edited by LOWFIELD, 11 December 2012 - 01:10 PM.


#833 LOWFIELD

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:57 PM

Anyway enough of the tax rubbish back on topic, i think we may see Salford in the championship any time soon

Edited by LOWFIELD, 11 December 2012 - 12:59 PM.


#834 LOWFIELD

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:04 PM

Anyway enough of the tax rubbish, i think we may just see salford in the championship this season at some point

#835 The Parksider

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

Fev have had three very good seasons. But Stuart Dickens, the man Darryl called in to steady the ship if things got rocky has gone. it remains to be seen if they are still as good without him. If they aren't what then? But what if Fev are? What if they have the money, the record, the ground and jump through all the other hoops to qualify for a franchise? Does that mean that someone already in is to dropped? Why? What if they also fulfil the criteria?


Several SL clubs do not fulfill the criteria, due to money problems their business plans come up short and they can't spend the cap. Fev in, simple

#836 John Drake

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:19 PM

Cut out the personal stuff, please. Don't blame others for it then do it yourself. No names, no pack drill from me. You know who you are.

Locking this now, it's gone on long enough.

I'm sure there'll be another thread on exactly the same topic along shortly. There always is...

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