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Conferences or SL1 SL2. Scottish football seizes the initiative.


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#41 LeeF

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:27 PM

You know what I mean. Besides, it ain't over yet HMRC are challenging the ruling.

And isn't it only one of the HMRC cases?

#42 The Future is League

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:31 AM

Scottish Football today voted to increase the size of their premier league to 24 clubs which would be split into two divisions of 12. The chairman of the SPL, ironically a Mr Doncaster, talked about the need to give a greater share of the league revenues to more teams. There would also be p and r from the 18 clubs left out of the 24.

I have proposed similar schemes for RL before and had the idea rejected out of hand. It seems that Scottish football thinks it is a feasible proposition. They recognise the inequities of their present set up and are moving to a model that is of benefit to ALL of the scottish Football League clubs.

Mr Doncaster had the following to say

"We now have the opportunity to sit down with the rest of Scottish football, with the remaining 18 Scottish Football League clubs, in fact all the Scottish Football League clubs, with the Scottish FA and how we might try to agree a package that works for everyone for the benefit of Scottish football.

"We understand that there needs to be a lot of redistribution from the biggest clubs and that is something the clubs in principle bought into today."

The commitee looking at the re organisation of RL should note and take this into account when planning the future of RL.

In my opinion, like the Scottish Football League, we should be looking to increase the number of clubs sitting at our top table and not looking at reducing even further the size of our top division and only admitting new clubs once every blue moon.

I know the big issue is how to pay for such plans but, at the very least, we ought to put the idea on the table.

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#43 Griff

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:08 AM

For conferences to work, you need teams of more even ability than we have now.

Before you can achieve that, you need clubs with more even finances.

The NFL have achieved that by pooling their income.

We're a long way from that.

If we go for mixed ability conferences, we'll just end up with a lot more blow-out scores.
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#44 Griff

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:15 AM

Besides, it ain't over yet HMRC are challenging the ruling.


Well, we'll see. Bearing on mind that HMRC lost on the facts of the case rather than an interpretation of the law.

Caveat - I might change my mind once I've read a decent report of the case.
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#45 Lesmets

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:22 AM

The Scottish league is only doing this as a quick fix to get Rangers back in the top flight ,I guarantee in a few years they will be trying to break away into a smaller group to keep the money for themselves



#46 Griff

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:35 AM

The Scottish league is only doing this as a quick fix to get Rangers back in the top flight ,I guarantee in a few years they will be trying to break away into a smaller group to keep the money for themselves


Are they ?

Current system - assuming Rangers keep winning....

2012/13 Div 4

2013/14 Div 3

2014/15 Div 2

2015/16 Div 1

Conference System

2012/13 Div 4

2013/14 Conference

2014/15 Div 2

2015/16 Div 1



So, if that's the plan, it's not a good one.
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#47 marklaspalmas

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:36 AM

The Bundesliga should be the blue print on how Rugby League should be run


How so?

 

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#48 marklaspalmas

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:38 AM

The NFL have achieved that by pooling their income.

We're a long way from that.


;) Quite.

 

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#49 Manx RL

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:09 PM

The Bundesliga should be the blue print on how Rugby League should be run


My local Darts an Domino society run a very good competition with 3 highly competitive leagues with P&R. They should be the blue print on how Rugby League should be run.
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#50 keighley

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:33 PM

The Bundesliga should be the blue print on how Rugby League should be run


Do you mean the fact that they have to make a profit or they are relegated ? If so we would end up with a 5 team SL and a huge CC competition. Come to think orf it that might be a good thing.

#51 Griff

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:34 PM

Do you mean the fact that they have to make a profit or they are relegated ? If so we would end up with a 5 team SL and a huge CC competition.


If it was a rule that clubs had to make profits to stay in Superleague, they'd make profits.

Interestingly, Leigh, Sheffield and Fax all made profits in their most recently published accounts (2011)
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#52 a.n Other

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:58 PM

If it was a rule that clubs had to make profits to stay in Superleague, they'd make profits.

Interestingly, Leigh, Sheffield and Fax all made profits in their most recently published accounts (2011)


I thought Leigh nearly went under in 2011?

#53 Methven Hornet

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:20 PM

The Scottish league is only doing this as a quick fix to get Rangers back in the top flight ,I guarantee in a few years they will be trying to break away into a smaller group to keep the money for themselves


Clearly not the case as it has been stated that entry to the proposed SPL2 will be on league position. If by the time the proposals are implemented Rangers are in one of the positions between 13 to 24 then they are already in the second tier of Scottish football.
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#54 Methven Hornet

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:09 PM

Again, people keep referring to 'conferences' in relation to the Scottish football re-organisation, and then relate that to how rugby league can be organised on a regional basis.

Just to emphasise, no-one is proposing to have conferences in Scottish football, and, similarly, the SPL are not wanting to expand their top division. What is being proposed is to expand the Scottish Premier League to, effectively, two divisions of twelve, leaving the remaining 18 SFL clubs to play in a separate competition (replacing a top division of twelve and three SFL divisions of ten).

These two divisions of twelve of the SPL will be transformed into three divisions of eight after the clubs have played each other twice - based upon their finishing positions in the first phase of the season. The starting line-up of SPL1 and SPL2 will be based upon the finishing positions in these three divisions - effectively making the middle division a promotion/relegation play-off.

From what I have read of fans' comments, those who express a view are almost all against the idea. And if the idea is to try and sustain 24 full-time clubs then it is all going to end in tears; that would be as grand a folly as trying to create 20 full-time rugby league clubs based upon the current situation in England and France.
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#55 The Future is League

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 11:20 PM

How so?

Clubs must make a profit. Grounds must be a certain standard. Junior development is a must, unlike certain Super League clubs who only pay lip service to junior development, and are always looking at ways of getting around the import rules.

#56 Griff

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:38 AM

I thought Leigh nearly went under in 2011?


They made £32000, chipping a modest but respectable hole in the losses they'd made in previous years.
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#57 Mumby Magic

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 03:14 PM

I think conferences for our sport are only really suited for lower level RL. Maybe when more "new" clubs join the championship 1 then they may feel a need a spilt into conferences.

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#58 keighley

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 03:18 PM

If it was a rule that clubs had to make profits to stay in Superleague, they'd make profits.

Interestingly, Leigh, Sheffield and Fax all made profits in their most recently published accounts (2011)


Let's make it a rule starting yesterday then.




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