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Enabling Closer games as opposed to tryfest blowouts


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#21 Amber Avenger

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:59 AM

Bring back hacking.


We should get Lord Leveson to investigate if that would improve the game now he has some spare time on his hands.
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#22 Black Country Wire

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:15 PM

Blow out games are boring to watch.


Not if your team's doing the blowing! :)

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#23 Dave T

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:33 PM

The number of blowout games is vastly exaggerated.

This is the problem - and Lobby himself started this in the OP. He stated that very few games are split by less than 6 points - that is true, but then there are lots of great games which can finish with a margin of 12-18pts or so.

Look at the Saints v Wire playoff game. This was a great battle, some great defence, some great tries and a classic semi final - yet the difference was 18 pts in the end.

Look at the Grand Final - great game, but a winning margin of 8 points, and therefore a reason to move back to 5m according to Lobby!

#24 Manx RL

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:44 PM

Blow out games are boring to watch.


This one wasnt http://www.bbc.co.uk...league/19242024

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#25 brooza

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:33 PM

You are kidding right? To say the London game was better is laughable.

Did people not enjoy it before the 10rule?

I was at that match and thoroughly enjoyed it. As did the rest of the London fans.

For london to win so heavily despite having about 7 first team players out injured was remarkable
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#26 dhw

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:36 PM

This is the problem - and Lobby himself started this in the OP. He stated that very few games are split by less than 6 points - that is true, but then there are lots of great games which can finish with a margin of 12-18pts or so.

Look at the Saints v Wire playoff game. This was a great battle, some great defence, some great tries and a classic semi final - yet the difference was 18 pts in the end.

Look at the Grand Final - great game, but a winning margin of 8 points, and therefore a reason to move back to 5m according to Lobby!


Is Lobby suggesting any winning margin greater than 6 points is a blowout? Exciting games are usually close scorelines or one where a team losing by several scores makes a comback. The issue was raised before (I believe Lobby was the OP in that case) with the notion that blowouts are becoming incereasignly common place but over the last 5 seasons there has been no real increase.

#27 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:11 PM

Very few games these days are within less than a converted try. This makes the game a turn off despite the so called improvements like the 10m rule and penalties for holding on for more than a nanosecond to make the game more open. In actual fact, making the game more open has the adverse affect and leads to blowouts. I'd rather see a 9-8 close game than tryfests. This would also make more sense than trying to get all teams to be superhuman - which is not going to happen on limited sky money. I also dont think the game is as enjoyable to play now due to too much emphasis on getting back 10m rather than playing the core game of rugby league.

I'd like to see us take a small step backwards and look at reducing the 10m rule and also minimise the impact if a refs whistle (i.e. tackle count does NOT go back to one after a penalty).

All penalties should see the tackle count restarted IMO.
But I do think that maybe they should that maybe there should be different kind of penalties, such as a tap penalty for technical infringements rather than a full penalty. Things like offside seem to be cherry picked because of the impact it has on the game giving a penalty. If they just allowed a tap, you'd see more offsides picked up IMO.
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#28 Padge

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:44 PM

Lobby has raised this passim, I have posted many scores from pre-10m rule and pre SL where there have been blow out score after blow out score.

Most blow outs happen in the last ten minutes or so usually in my opinion.

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#29 HappyDave

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:12 AM

I played with a 5m rule and it enabled skill to get through defences rather than making it easier for the attacking team. Basically pace and power are now dominant given the extra yardage which results in larger score margins. Why are we constantly trying to make RL progressively more difficult to play as well from a fitness point of view. What next -a15m rule and 11a side?


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#30 Ant

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:43 AM

Absolute hogwash!


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#31 Padge

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:21 AM

1983-84 Season

York 44 Doncaster 10
York 40 Doncaster 9
Widnes 30 Hull 0
Widnes 42 Wakefield 14
Warrington 58 Fulham 32
Swinton 42 Deswbury 2
Swinton 66 Keighley 1
Salford 50 Oldham 10
Saints 50 Wakefield 12
Rochdale 40 Doncaster 20
Halifax 50 Rochdale 9
Oldham 54 Wakefield 4
Oldham 50 Salford 10
Hull KR 54 Leeds 0
Leeds 48 Whitehaven 8
Barrow 48 Huyton 8
Hunslet 52 Huyton 0
Hunslet 50 Doncaster 18
Hull KR 47 Leigh 8
Hull 66 Wakefield 12
Hull 58 Salford 6
Fev 52 Whitehaven 10
Widnes 40 Fev 4
Cas 46 Fev 22
Widnes 54 Dewsbury 10
Dewsbury 42 Rochdal 15
Cas 50 Whitehaven 2
Bradford 45 Whitehaven 4
Hull 42 Bradford 12

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#32 Johnoco

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:26 AM

And that's in one season?

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#33 Kenilworth Tiger

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:00 AM

1983-84 Season

Widnes 42 Wakefield 14

Saints 50 Wakefield 12


All that time ago yet I still get a warm feeling looking at those two scorelines
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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#34 The Parksider

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:09 AM

nope. Maybe a 5 yard rule, though. As that is less than 5 metres, then surely that would be even better.


We can learn a lot from american football. I think they have a one inch rule?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:11 AM

1983-84 Season

York 44 Doncaster 10
York 40 Doncaster 9
Widnes 30 Hull 0
Widnes 42 Wakefield 14
Warrington 58 Fulham 32
Swinton 42 Deswbury 2
Swinton 66 Keighley 1
Salford 50 Oldham 10
Saints 50 Wakefield 12
Rochdale 40 Doncaster 20
Halifax 50 Rochdale 9
Oldham 54 Wakefield 4
Oldham 50 Salford 10
Hull KR 54 Leeds 0
Leeds 48 Whitehaven 8
Barrow 48 Huyton 8
Hunslet 52 Huyton 0
Hunslet 50 Doncaster 18
Hull KR 47 Leigh 8
Hull 66 Wakefield 12
Hull 58 Salford 6
Fev 52 Whitehaven 10
Widnes 40 Fev 4
Cas 46 Fev 22
Widnes 54 Dewsbury 10
Dewsbury 42 Rochdal 15
Cas 50 Whitehaven 2
Bradford 45 Whitehaven 4
Hull 42 Bradford 12


Pretty much ends the thread really.

#36 brooza

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:18 AM

Pretty much ends the thread really.

But... but... but........ SUPER LEAGUE IS RUBBISH!
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#37 dkw

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:18 PM

So anything over 6 points difference is a blowout? Does that mean anything over 1-0 in football is a blowout also?

#38 gingerjon

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:48 PM

Swinton 66 Keighley 1


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#39 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:17 AM

Pretty much ends the thread really.


Erm - not really. Those are scores are for both divisions over the whole season. Noteworty is that there are not many scores over 50 points and only one I counted over 60. There have been many of those this year. I wonder if Padge would be kind enough to all post score margins for last season for all three divisions using the same margin discriminator?

#40 JohnM

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:40 AM

Early 1960s Swinton put 100 points past Salford in just two games. We Swinton fans were very very happy!




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