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[CANETMAN]

I don't think lasting 30 years as owner of a rugby league club would give much credence to suggesting John Wilkinson has badly managed a rugby league club,despite poor attendances.Perhaps the requirement of a new stadia during a doube-dip recession,banking crisis and job losses in construction played a small part.
Of course,some clubs with/using an iconic stadium like Bradford were exempt from the requirement.
Always nice to see owners who abdicate their responsibilities - from Wrexham to Bradford walk away without even the slightest admonishment.
Strange how the person who introduced the licensing has been chief executive at two liquidated clubs.He does seem to have a propensity for 'restricting trade'.

Someone has to do the job of hatchet man for the RFL, ie the crusaders bombshell of not applying for SL at the last minute but many seemed to fall for it hook line and sinkCM

[intheshed]

its not the licensing process that has caused clubs to be badly managed......

Correct.

Its not the cure it was mis-sold as either.

[keighley]

That is the situation in practice, that any club even with an army of volunteers can change en masse the mindset of the mass of kids who don’t want to favour high contact sport over soccer in particular is positive thinking yes, but…

London ? 30 years ago there were next to no kids playing the contact sport of RL in London. Today it is a success story and not especially anywhere near the broncos either.

I don't see why that cannot be replicated in Wythenshaw. Your constant nada, nada, nada only in SL refrains gets so boring and mindnumbingly negative.

[keighley]

Leigh in trouble, Bramley Blackpool and Huyton gone, rochdale and york closed, swinton and hunslet shadows of their former selves. Oldham disaster.

More of the wonderful breathtaking success stories of semi professional Rugby

And those quoted clubs share of the Sky largesse was how much?

[Bedford Roughyed]

Didn't the championship clubs give up (for a 1 off lump sum) their sky share years ago to do the half winter season? And so they could persue their own TV deal? Or is my memory tricking me? (happens...often...)

[keighley]

Didn't the championship clubs give up (for a 1 off lump sum) their sky share years ago to do the half winter season? And so they could persue their own TV deal? Or is my memory tricking me? (happens...often...)

And, in retrospect, do you think that was a wise move. Maybe we would still have Bramley and Blackpool if they hadn't signed away their share from Sky. And whilst we are on the subject, Parksider quoted Oldham as a semi pro disaster. If I recall there downfall came when they were in SL.

[The Parksider]

London ? 30 years ago there were next to no kids playing the contact sport of RL in London. Today it is a success story.....

I don't see why that cannot be replicated in Wythenshaw.

Whats mind numbingly boring is your wishful thinking that RL can push and promote itself to such an extent it will turn everyone on and people will take the game up and watch the game and championship clubs will grow and flower into professional clubs etc etc etc.

Get a history of RL book and read the reality of the games struggles from day one to today. 126 years of struggle with another 126 to come.

As for YOU saying London junior RL is a "success story" my word how you can do an about turn and a back flip if it suits you?

The south east is a massive area such that we may just be able to sustain a junior RL big enough to feed a superleague club.

Whilst that is a success for us, what we will achieve is miniscule against what Soccer and RU achieve in London.

You know full well we are not a success in London but we have found enough interest across a very big place to make having an SL club there worthwhile.A success relative to our size.

All this "can be done" nada nada nada isn't debate. It's fantasy Rugby League.

Please can we have an additional forum on here for the fantasists??

Lets go into business together, I can formulate a sensible and realistic business plan for us whilst you close your eyes and dream we'll be marks and spencers.

[The Parksider]

And those quoted clubs share of the Sky largesse was how much?

1. The SL clubs struggle because they have to pay £1.6M wages and turn over £4M+ with only £1.2M of SKY money subsidy.

2. The CC clubs struggle because they have to pay £300K wages and turn over £1M.

Business wise it's a bigger struggle to find the money for Superleague.

The lower down the leagues you go the easier it is to survive.

Somehow championship clubs are worse at surviving than SL clubs.

But let's not let the facts get in the way of another dig at Superleague.

[The Parksider]

Your boring and mindnumbingly negative.

Your a dreamer who cannot grasp facts

LOCK IT!!!

[Just Browny]

I wish I had half of the same time to post as The Parksider does. Congrats to him for being able to chillax on here.

I hope Salford drag themselves out of whatever mess they're in and get themselves competing in Super League as they should be. There are some good folk who watch Salford and they have the potential to be a big club (note: as Salford, not some 'Manchester' fake club who wouldn't attract one extra fan).

[The Parksider]

I think you will find that the MEN article is wrong. The truth lies elsewhere. It has been very bad PR from Salford but their future is secure.

No don't lock it.

Lets get back to the subject of the thread.

Can you add any more at this point in time??

Is Mr. Wilkinson's assertion investors are on the way in line with your assertion above?

[The Parksider]

I wish I had half of the same time to post as The Parksider does. Congrats to him for being able to chillax on here.

Your hardly a part timer at 9775 posts.

My downfall is arguing with Tro, Lobby, Mr. K, Lizzy, etc.

I dream of Fev, Leigh, Keighley and Fax getting in Superleague.

Then I may be released from this treadmill......

[shaun mc]

Quote - I think you will find that the MEN article is wrong. The truth lies elsewhere. It has been very bad PR from Salford but their future is secure.

Not seen this posted, but if true, are Salford just going to make up the numbers now, even if they survive?
They've lost a good few players from last seasons squad, signed one who'd you regard as a good squad player, not a front line one. All potential players available have been snapped up and its going to be a real job just to get a team on the field that has some unity and depth of teamwork. Timescales are against them.

[41hound]

To be honest Shaun - if we still have a club to support next year that will have to be enough. Making up the numbers be it in SL or CC1 is better than having the club I supported since childhood disappear.

[shaun mc]

To be honest Shaun - if we still have a club to support next year that will have to be enough. Making up the numbers be it in SL or CC1 is better than having the club I supported since childhood disappear.

Good on yer. Hope it works out.

[The Parksider]

Quote - I think you will find that the MEN article is wrong. The truth lies elsewhere. It has been very bad PR from Salford but their future is secure.

Not seen this posted, but if true, are Salford just going to make up the numbers now, even if they survive?
They've lost a good few players from last seasons squad, signed one who'd you regard as a good squad player, not a front line one. All potential players available have been snapped up and its going to be a real job just to get a team on the field that has some unity and depth of teamwork. Timescales are against them.

Didn't Wakey and Crusaders pull together decent sides at the last minute??

Plenty of time yet shaun!!

[Ackroman]

To be honest Shaun - if we still have a club to support next year that will have to be enough. Making up the numbers be it in SL or CC1 is better than having the club I supported since childhood disappear.

SO that's Bradford making up the numbers on half the funding and Salford making up the numbers as well.

Can't wait.

[Ackroman]

Didn't Wakey and Crusaders pull together decent sides at the last minute??

Plenty of time yet shaun!!

Shame it was someone else's money.

[The Parksider]

Shame it was someone else's money.

It's all on someone else's money SKY, creditors, local rich man, sponsors benevolence etc.

Perhaps all clubs SHOULD go back to part time and balance their books against turnstyle income??

It would be more honourable.

[The Parksider]

SO that's Bradford making up the numbers on half the funding and Salford making up the numbers as well.

Can't wait.

I wonder if Salford can beat Halifax's record of 2003. They would have to do something like cheat the cap to get minus points though, so it may be hard.