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[The Parksider]

Licensing the RFL way doesn't work, it may have worked with a competent process evenly implemented by impartial auditors.

What are you talking about?

RFL/SLE set the number of clubs for Superleague. (14 this time)

the license commitee pick the best (14) resourced clubs.

And that's it.

Licenses are not the cause of anyone going kaput.

Please try to deal with this and please try to suggest where the licensing system doesn't work.

Tell me where they made a mistake i.e who should have been in instead of Salford??

[The Parksider]

Slightly concerning thing coming out of Salford is the current Chairman saying that their problems are all down to the fact that at Barton the only real revenue stream for the Reds (and I presume also the Sharks) is ticket sales. Whereas at the Willows, they had other revenue streams connected to the stadium. Surely when they were costing the move to Barton, someone somewhere at the club factored in the loss of this revenue from non playing commercial activity into the budgets? Is that where they got the 'finger in the air' figure of 8,000 average crowds a figure several thousand higher than they had been getting at the Willows.

Salford had stagnant crowds at The Willows and were told by the RFL move to a new stadium or your out of SL.

There was surely no doubt about factoring in any "loss of revenue" what over rode this was the loss of their Superleague place.

It seems to me they decided to move in a gamble on fans responding, based on the alternative being the fans response to demotion to the CC's forever.

i.e. walking away a la Oldham

Edited by The Parksider, 19 December 2012 - 11:03 PM.

[thundergaz]

That's not the point one little bit.

Do you think Fev, Leigh, Fax or Eagles had more money or resources in 2011 and do you think any of them would have managed to do better than Salford.

Fax Leigh or us would have done just as good if not better if we would of had all the years they have had in SL. But you can't really ask that question because us and fax haven't been given a craic at it. Where as Leigh have but even then they only had 1 season. So like I said who knows if we would of had the years they have had in SL silly question really as no one would know the answer only guessing.

Edited by thundergaz, 19 December 2012 - 10:37 PM.

[41hound]

I am now officially sick of not knowing what is going to happen to my club. We have had months of doom and gloom and nothing to be positive about. I am prepared for the worst (as are most of our fans) - we keep hearing "investment imminent. But it isn't is it? We are not told what the options are if no money turns up. I seem to remember SKY programs devoted to "Save the Bulls" and lots of RFL announcements - but we get nothing but "we are talking to mystery investors".

What a cruel way to treat players, employees and supporters. All most of us want is to watch our team play rugby - I will accept any division and I will go wherever (within reason! ) - I just wish to know if we will have any sort of club to follow next season - is that too much to ask after supporting the club?

[Padge]

Fax Leigh or us would have done just as good if not better if we would of had all the years they have had in SL. But you can't really ask that question because us and fax haven't been given a craic at it. Where as Leigh have but even then they only had 1 season. So like I said who knows if we would of had the years they have had in SL silly question really as no one would know the answer only guessing.

So let me get this right, you are saying Leigh should have been given 3 years to get it right rather than being thrown out for not being good enough in year one.

[The Parksider]

incompetence. thats what it sounds like to me. I know people like to hold JW up as a hero, and its good to see anybody invest in RL but there has been next to nothing that has ever impressed me about Salford as a business.

The situation is that Salford have not managed 6,000 crowds since the early seventies, and not managed to develop any significant number of home grown players, and so devoid of fans and players to a level they could utilise to be a top club, they were a "second division club".

The reason they actually managed to be a second division club in the top division for the bulk of the 35 odd years since they were big was Mr. Wilko paid for them to be there.

It seems clear to me it was not incompetence, It was Mr. Wilkinson covering the losses with his money but never putting in enough investment in to develop the game in Salford below the first XV11.

You cannot criticise anyone for throwing money at a lost cause, you certainly cannot criticise anyone for not throwing even more money at it especially when the sums required to make RL succeed in Britains top soccer metropolis were/still are phenomenal.

[thundergaz]

So let me get this right, you are saying Leigh should have been given 3 years to get it right rather than being thrown out for not being good enough in year one.

I don't agree with no P&R but that is the rule. But back then it wasn't so no I don't think they should of had 3 year but I also don't think a lot of the rest should be having 3 year after 3 year either. Same as I don't agree with the champions being the GF winners the champions should be the league winners IMO but hey they are the rules. Just another money making scheme that's all.

[The Parksider]

The introduction of P&R was slagged off when introduced, a lot of clubs hated it and saw it as their ruin.

Bramley detested it.

Dick Gibson one of the directors said to me it would be the death of the club.

Anyone remember Bramley??

[The Parksider]

Just another money making scheme that's all.

God forbid professional RL should try to make money Gaz?

[thundergaz]

God forbid professional RL should try to make money Gaz?

I wouldn't mind if some of it was filtered down parksider or some of it pumped back into our league. The greedy sods in SL keep it for themselves. And still teams are going bust just makes you laugh doesn't it.

[Padge]

I don't agree with no P&R but that is the rule. But back then it wasn't so no I don't think they should of had 3 year but I also don't think a lot of the rest should be having 3 year after 3 year either. Same as I don't agree with the champions being the GF winners the champions should be the league winners IMO but hey they are the rules. Just another money making scheme that's all.

So every bonkers chairman with enough money to buy promotion but not enough money to pay for an SL place should be allowed to cause immense damage to a club just for his own one season ego.

[shrek]

It's the salary cap being too high and the resources in terms of fans and players being too low for the number of clubs

That sounds more like a plan to kill all the donkeys to me rather than one to fix the games problems.

[thundergaz]

So every bonkers chairman with enough money to buy promotion but not enough money to pay for an SL place should be allowed to cause immense damage to a club just for his own one season ego.

Any club that deserves the right to be promoted I. E GF winners as the rules stand should be aloud the chance yes.

[The Parksider]

Fax Leigh or us would have done just as good if not better

Gaz, Mr. Wilkinson and his partner Mr. Clague put £millions into Salford over the years

Fax, Leigh and Fev over the whole period of SL did not have anyone to put £millions in so no they would NOT have done better than Salford.

You don't seem to want to grasp the idea that the more money a club has the better you do in Rugby League.

I can remember all the times Jerry Mason or Graham Liles pumped thousands into Hunslet and we got promoted as a result, and the times when they were skint and didn't put any money in and we were struggling not to come bottom of division 2.

Forget good and bad management, it's a red herring. It's all about money.

[thundergaz]

Gaz, Mr. Wilkinson and his partner Mr. Clague put £millions into Salford over the years

Fax, Leigh and Fev over the whole period of SL did not have anyone to put £millions in so no they would NOT have done better than Salford.

You don't seem to want to grasp the idea that the more money a club has the better you do in Rugby League.

I can remember all the times Jerry Mason or Graham Liles pumped thousands into Hunslet and we got promoted as a result, and the times when they were skint and didn't put any money in and we were struggling not to come bottom of division 2.

Forget good and bad management, it's a red herring. It's all about money.

It's always been the same the more money you have the better you do but maybe not at the moment with the salary cap because IMO that makes it more of a level playing field. Also IMO with no relegation no club should be going bust in SL.

Edited by thundergaz, 19 December 2012 - 11:05 PM.

[Padge]

It's all about money.

Haven't I heard that somewhere before?

[The Parksider]

I wouldn't mind if some of it was filtered down parksider or some of it pumped back into our league. The greedy sods in SL keep it for themselves.

Gaz. SKY will only allow the SL clubs to have the money, how does that make them greedy?

[Padge]

It's always been the same the more money you have the better you do but maybe not at the moment with the salary cap because IMO that makes it more of a level playing field. Also IMO with no relegation no club should be going bust in SL.

The salary cap isn't set at a level to stop clubs going bust, the clubs themselves scrapped that idea years ago.

The salary cap allows any club to overspend by as much as they can, regardless of the damage caused. That's what the clubs wanted that is what the clubs got.

[thundergaz]

Gaz. SKY will only allow the SL clubs to have the money, how does that make them greedy?

Your telling me the SL clubs and the RFL didn't have a say in it? You've got to be having a laugh. The SL clubs and the RFL pee in the same pot their up each others backsides.

[The Parksider]

It's always been the same the more money you have the better you do

THANK YOU that is why busted flushes like London, Salford and Hull.K.R. get in superleague because rich men gave them millions.

That is why superb clubs like Fev, Fax and Leigh cannot compete with rubbish clubs who have rich owners.

Fev beat Cas, neither club has any money so it was an even contest.

Money, money, money, money, money etc etc...