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[Padge]

Your telling me the SL clubs and the RFL didn't have a say in it? You've got to be having a laugh. The SL clubs and the RFL pee in the same pot their up each others backsides.

Oh dear, you seem to have been asleep for a long while Snow White.

[The Parksider]

Your telling me the SL clubs and the RFL didn't have a say in it? You've got to be having a laugh. The SL clubs and the RFL pee in the same pot their up each others backsides.

SKY wanted to screen elite RL that meant a small professional league. They paid the money to get the product they wanted.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

The piper had no alternatives.

[thundergaz]

THANK YOU that is why busted flushes like London, Salford and Hull.K.R. get in superleague because rich men gave them millions.

That is why superb clubs like Fev, Fax and Leigh cannot compete with rubbish clubs who have rich owners.

Fev beat Cas, neither club has any money so it was an even contest.

Money, money, money, money, money etc etc...

We have got money probably more than c@s. But for you to say it was an even contest that's not a comment we shouldn't have got anywhere near them Never mind beat them. There is a bigger gulf between champ one and champ two than their Is between the bottom of SL and top of the champ.Also the champ is more competitive and more entertaining to watch.

Edited by thundergaz, 19 December 2012 - 11:17 PM.

[The Parksider]

All most of us want is to watch our team play rugby - I will accept any division

I just wish to know if we will have any sort of club to follow next season

Mr. Wilkinson would only accept SL.

So you may have no club because JW may have gambled it away on Barton.

All these rich people pick up clubs with the intention of taking them to the top, and will take whatever gambles they can after all you can always go into administration. The fans don't complain, they love the ride but cry when it hits the buffers.

There are some clubs who will give you what you want Mr. Hound.

Batley are one of them.

[The Parksider]

We have got money probably more than c@s. But for you to say it was an even contest we shouldn't have got anywhere near them Never mind beat them.

Why not? You have players many of whom have played SL? That's what top CC teams do they get the best SL rejects.

Castleford did not have any top players because the rich clubs bought them all, apart from Chase.

On the day your excellent coach got your lads to see to Chase and you won.

Great one off win.

Sure Cas were the professional team and fitter, but you gave your all that day and then a week or two on it showed when you let Sheffield score 60.

[Padge]

We have got money probably more than c@s. But for you to say it was an even contest that's not a comment we shouldn't have got anywhere near them Never mind beat them. There is a bigger gulf between champ one and champ two than their Is between the bottom of SL and top of the champ.Also the champ is more competitive and more entertaining to watch.

There is always a an opposite to probably and that is probably not, when you say probably what you are saying really is I hope.

[thundergaz]

There is always a an opposite to probably and that is probably not, when you say probably what you are saying really is I hope.

I dont know how much they have got.But if i was a betting man i would say we have more than them.But i dont care whos got the millionaires,whos got the best ground and whos got the biggest fan base etc if you win the GF you should get promoted end of.

Edited by thundergaz, 19 December 2012 - 11:35 PM.

[Padge]

I dont know how much they have got.But if i was a betting man i would say we have more than them.But i dont care whos got the millionaires,whos got the best ground and whos got the biggest fan base etc if you win the GF you should bve promoted end of.

So give me some figures, how much more have you got?

Where is it coming from?

Breakdown of each clubs finances, perchance?

Do you have relatively more because of the division you play in?

Edited by Padge, 19 December 2012 - 11:38 PM.

[The Parksider]

That sounds more like a plan to kill all the donkeys to me rather than one to fix the games problems.

What plan is that you speak of good sir??

Is it my suggestion to lower the salary cap, thus more can afford it and compete in SL. Simplistic stuff but correct in principle and isolation.

I'll suggest it again and again until people engage in it rather than default to "Superleague is rubbish, Licensing is rubbish, bring back P & R"

[thundergaz]

So give me some figures, how much more have you got?

Where is it coming from?

Breakdown of each clubs finances, perchance?

Do you have relatively more because of the division you play in?

All i will say is if we went into SL tomorrow we would stay there even if P&R came back.Im very confident of our finances that once we get in SL we will stay there.But like ive said before were not ready yet.But we will be when the next licensing comes into play.We are losing 100k a season but still can afford to pay out the full salary cap {we are the only team in our league to be paying the full cap this season}

Edited by thundergaz, 19 December 2012 - 11:45 PM.

[Padge]

What plan is that you speak of good sir??

Is it my suggestion to lower the salary cap, thus more can afford it and compete in SL. Simplistic stuff but correct in principle and isolation.

I'll suggest it again and again until people engage in it rather than default to "Superleague is rubbish, Licensing is rubbish, bring back P & R"

The problem is that you a driving finances down rather than working on bringing finances up.

We don't need ideas to use less money, we need ideas to generate more money.

[The Parksider]

1. I dont know how much they have got.But if i was a betting man i would say we have more than them.

2. If you win the GF you should get promoted end of.

1. As I understand it Mr. Fulton has put in lump sums of £500K at Cas. I also note Cas have 7,000 paying fans.

Mr Campbell has managed to pop in a couple of hundred grand at Fev AFAIK. Mr. Nahaboo AFAIK has money but is yet to give significant amounts to Fev. Fev have 2,000 fans so I think Cas may have had more money.

2. Think beyond that. Is it fair to kick out the semi pro lads who won it?

Would you have less of a chance staying up if you had one year to get it right then three under licensing??

[Padge]

All i will say is if we went into SL tomorrow we would stay there even if P&R came back.Im very confident of our finances that once we get in SL we will stay there.But like ive said before were not ready yet.But we will be when the next licensing comes into play.

Pie in the Sky

[thundergaz]

Pie in the Sky

You will see.Also its not my place to give figures etc. If our club wanted people to know our finances im sure they would publish them.The RFL will know how much we have when we apply for the next license.

[thundergaz]

1. As I understand it Mr. Fulton has put in lump sums of £500K at Cas. I also note Cas have 7,000 paying fans.

Mr Campbell has managed to pop in a couple of hundred grand at Fev AFAIK. Mr. Nahaboo AFAIK has money but is yet to give significant amounts to Fev. Fev have 2,000 fans so I think Cas may have had more money.

2. Think beyond that. Is it fair to kick out the semi pro lads who won it?

Would you have less of a chance staying up if you had one year to get it right then three under licensing??

I think we would stay up with just the one season.But yeah 3 would be good but i dont agree with that idea as i think it should be one up and one down every season so if we didnt stay up with that one season we wouldnt deserve to be in SL.

Edited by thundergaz, 19 December 2012 - 11:53 PM.

[The Parksider]

The problem is that you a driving finances down rather than working on bringing finances up.

Don't losing clubs who cannot compete and give up drive finances down?? Crowds drop and finances drop, rich men drop out?

Increase SL to 16 clubs that brings in more fans from Fev, Fax etc finances up.

Introduces more rich men, Mr, Nahaboo and Mr. Abbot - finances up.

Lower salary cap encourages Hudgell. O'Connor, Hughes, maybe even Wilko to keep putting in rather than giving up.

Finances up

Lower salary cap reduces wage spend Finances up

Forces top clubs to unload players to lower clubs more even game more interest finances up

It's a winner isn't it??

[Padge]

You will see.Also its not my place to give figures etc. If our club wanted people to know our finances im sure they would publish them.The RFL will know how much we have when we apply for the next license.

Here's a figure you can give, overall who has managed the better crowds in top flight RL, Fev or Cas.

Here's a question you can answer, given that we are told that nobody from Wakefield or Cas will ever in their entire life support Fev, how are Fev going to increase their average attendance to SL levels, given that most clubs over the years have doubled their average by mopping up surrounding latent RL support. How are Fev going to double their support from their last full top flight season to match today's modern clubs doubling of attendances at the lower end, and how will they quadruple it to compete with Wigan, Leeds, Saints etc. Don't forget, nobody from the surrounding districts, so we are continually told, will ever go to 'the enemy'.

[Padge]

Don't losing clubs who cannot compete and give up drive finances down?? Crowds drop and finances drop, rich men drop out?

Increase SL to 16 clubs that brings in more fans from Fev, Fax etc finances up.

Introduces more rich men, Mr, Nahaboo and Mr. Abbot - finances up.

Lower salary cap encourages Hudgell. O'Connor, Hughes, maybe even Wilko to keep putting in rather than giving up.

Finances up

Lower salary cap reduces wage spend Finances up

Forces top clubs to unload players to lower clubs more even game more interest finances up

It's a winner isn't it??

Top clubs will unload players to other sports or similar foreign sports.

The idea that if Wigan have to offload either Tomkins or Charnley but can't keep both means that suddenly Salford could afford them against other competing sports clubs outside of European SL is naive on your part to say the least.

Edited by Padge, 20 December 2012 - 12:05 AM.

[thundergaz]

Here's a figure you can give, overall who has managed the better crowds in top flight RL, Fev or Cas.

Here's a question you can answer, given that we are told that nobody from Wakefield or Cas will ever in their entire life support Fev, how are Fev going to increase their average attendance to SL levels, given that most clubs over the years have doubled their average by mopping up surrounding latent RL support. How are Fev going to double their support from their last full top flight season to match today's modern clubs doubling of attendances at the lower end, and how will they quadruple it to compete with Wigan, Leeds, Saints etc. Don't forget, nobody from the surrounding districts, so we are continually told, will ever go to 'the enemy'.

What as crowds got to do with it? Can you imagine the FA saying to the champ clubs you can't get promoted because you only have 10k fans but you need 30k to get in or your ground isn't good enough or you only have 5 mil to spend on players you need 20 mil etc etc etc its people like you that kill our sport and its romance. If you win promotion no matter who you are you should go up.

[Philius T Wilderbeest]

I like Featherstone and their fans, but to suggest that they're a bigger club than Castleford is utterly proposterous. I also admire the clubs ambition to get into Super League, but I'm afraid that no matter how many times they win the Championship, or how many new stands they erect, they're never going to get there. If Salford (hopefully not) go belly up, then it'll be full speed ahead for another French outfit - probably Toulouse. Featherstone just doesn't fit with the RFL's adherence to the laws of 'expansionism' - like it or not (for the record, I don't like it). In a European Super League age, where clubs have been mooted in Dublin, Barcelona and Glasgow, does anyone really believe that RL authorities are going to see a club from a tiny former pit village as the way forward for them?
Also, the top Championship clubs CAN compete with a number of SL clubs in one-off matches as we've witnessed in some recent CC ties, but there's still a massive gulf in playing quality that means the likes of Halifax, Sheffield, Leigh, Batley and Featherstone (as they are now) would get stuffed most weeks in SL.