Its not about whether any club, area or expansion attempt was a waste of time or money but whether with the benefit of experience it would be wise to continue to do things the same way.
You've said in reply to another post that you feel with sufficient money Crusaders could have been a success and a SL club in the area would have drawn people into the game. Well the point is there wasn't enough money and the SL club no longer exists.
This is broadly similar to the experience we had with Gateshead & Paris. Its not about whether the game should seek to expand, it should, but whether there is any reason to believe the 'top down' method actually delivers long term success. Unless you have come up with a way of making sure any future 'top down' club won't run out of money I simply don't see how you can advocate more of the same whilst crossing your fingers & hoping it might turn out differently.
Declare your interest good sir? Who is your club??
You question whether it would be wise to "continue to do things the same way". What particular way is this??
Is this the SL way where an expansion club, with all the massive benefits it would bring to RL if Broncos took off in London or if Celtic Crusaders became a bigger club than some of the RU "no names" in Wales, are allowed only the same SKY money as Wigan, Leeds and Hull who have 140 years start, to achieve this goal???
Monsterous short sightedness by the insular SL chairmen dontcha think??
Do these people care for the game or are they just forming some sort of cliquey northern rich mans club.??
The point is there's no more money for Crusaders YES and the SL club no longer exists TRUE.
But the same point is there's no more money for Salford as it stands and the heartland SL club may exist no longer.
So shall we drop the expansion policy because nobody wants to watch or fund clubs outside the M62? And at the same time shall we drop the "M62 only" attitude of many on here because nobody wants to watch or fund most clubs in heartlands either??
Yes we had an experience with Gateshead and Paris that was unfortunate. nobody wants to watch or fund clubs who fail in Superleague.
Yes we had an experience with Oldham, Workington, Halifax, Leigh, Sheffield, Keighley, Bradford, Wakefield, and Salford, nobody wants to watch or fund northern clubs who fail in Superleague either.
Can you see the similarity? Can you see the ambiguity?
When clubs outside the M62 struggle I suspect some people have a wry smile and delight in suggesting best not try that again?
After all it doesn't work does it, Paris, Gateshead, Barcelona, Rome. London, Wales etc prove it doesn't work.
Trouble is Salford (formed in 1873, joined the NU in 1896, six times top club in the Rugby league, record attendance 26,000) doesn't work for sure and Bradford and Wakefield don't work either.
My point is simple.
There are no "expansion" or "heartland" clubs. there are only "Rugby League Clubs" and those who seek to create a "them and us" between the M62 and anywhere that is foreign to the M62 (that's just south of Sheffield BTW) such that they can declare "them" unviable, usually have a thumping big chip on their shoulder that leads them to suggest to their Northern Rugby League Working Mens Club (affiliated) that such aliens should be discouraged from membership .
Thing is if you want a successful Rugby League you make sure Wigan are at the heart of Lancashire,
Then you make sure Leeds sits proud at the heart of Yorkshire.
Then you add Hull to complete rugby Leagues traditional giants.
Then we need the capitol London. It's essential, in go the Broncos.
Now we need Wales its big Rugby Country (oooh no we need Doncaster, Sheffield, etc) they love their RL in Wales
Now we need Les Catalans to get that third international profile and France to the fore.
Those are the six essential clubs needed in "super league europe" (did you note the "europe") for the game to ever succeed.
OK I appreciate there's an alternative, appparently Halifax, Leigh and Featherstone are making great strides. Forget London, Wales and France "who needs 'em". When we can have Halifax fighting for the same fans, players and sponsors as Bradford and Fartown, when we can have Featherstone battling it out with Cas and Wakey for every paying fan and playing kid down Calder way, and of course Leigh, who can also play tug of war over every fan and player torn between going a couple of miles up the road or a coule of miles down the road.
Fine by me, the M62 mob can eat themselves, but don't tell me I have things wrong because I don't. I am not blessed with any more brains than anyone else on here, but I don't get weighed down by a "my club is not in Superleague, those damn foreigners are blocking the way, they should sord off, I don't care if my club isn't in superleague, I much prefer the championship, but oh god how I wish we were in there really" rubbish.