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#21 Johnoco

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:41 PM

Some of the pro gun lobby in the states are saying it could have been prevented if the teachers were armed :wacko:

To play devils advocate a little, there is some logic in this.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:43 PM

America is not a civilised country, they have had centuries to prove it and have continually failed,

Any country were it is the right of citizens to have the means legally to have at their disposal enough weaponry to wipe out a class of school kids without trying hard to get the slaying tools is sick from top to bottom.

More or less what I think.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:02 PM

To play devils advocate a little, there is some logic in this.


I hear what you're saying but teachers toting guns and taking down psychos? Just sound like a recipe for more death, cross fire and what have you.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:12 PM

I hear what you're saying but teachers toting guns and taking down psychos? Just sound like a recipe for more death, cross fire and what have you.

Oh I agree with you. Just thinking of it from a gun culture viewpoint.

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#25 Severus

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:14 PM

To play devils advocate a little, there is some logic in this.

What if teachers were armed? Would we be taking about a teacher flipping out me opening up on an unruly student?

We can't comprehend the mindset of pro gun lobby in the states. It is deeply ingrained in their culture. For the most part it is distrust and fear that other people may have a gun. The more I learn about American culture the more it seems that they live in fear ad ignorance. Whether it is the threat of communism, socialism, Islam, atheists or liberals, there always seems to be something that they have to fear and a threat to the American way.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:46 PM

What if teachers were armed? Would we be taking about a teacher flipping out me opening up on an unruly student?

We can't comprehend the mindset of pro gun lobby in the states. It is deeply ingrained in their culture. For the most part it is distrust and fear that other people may have a gun. The more I learn about American culture the more it seems that they live in fear ad ignorance. Whether it is the threat of communism, socialism, Islam, atheists or liberals, there always seems to be something that they have to fear and a threat to the American way.

The American way is shoot first unfortunately..

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#27 Trojan

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:34 PM

America is not a civilised country, they have had centuries to prove it and have continually failed,

Any country were it is the right of citizens to have the means legally to have at their disposal enough weaponry to wipe out a class of school kids without trying hard to get the slaying tools is sick from top to bottom.

More or less what I think.
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#28 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:34 AM

What can you buy at Asda's?

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#29 Griff9of13

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:36 AM

Some of the pro gun lobby in the states are saying it could have been prevented if the teachers were armed :wacko:


Michael Moore (yes, I know) tweeted this yesterday:

''If only the first victim, Adam Lanz's mother had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this before it started.''


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#30 gingerjon

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:41 AM

What if teachers were armed? Would we be taking about a teacher flipping out me opening up on an unruly student?

We can't comprehend the mindset of pro gun lobby in the states. It is deeply ingrained in their culture. For the most part it is distrust and fear that other people may have a gun. The more I learn about American culture the more it seems that they live in fear ad ignorance. Whether it is the threat of communism, socialism, Islam, atheists or liberals, there always seems to be something that they have to fear and a threat to the American way.


Gun ownership in the states is declining; ask about who should own guns and of what type (rather than say, "Do you want the President to stop you owning a gun?") and a majority of both gun owners and non-gun owners favour increased control.
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#31 Severus

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:43 AM

Michael Moore (yes, I know) tweeted this yesterday:

''If only the first victim, Adam Lanz's mother had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this before it started.''

The guns used were registered to Lanz's mother. It's more accurate to say that if only Lanz's mother wasn't a gun owner then this tragedy may not have happened.
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#32 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:45 AM

The NRA don't want any new controls as they see it as opening the wedge (crossing the rubicon?).

Many new laws infact make owning guns easier and many states don't require any registration of what you have bought (some states have shredded past records). No one has a clue who owns what.
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#33 Griff9of13

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:20 AM

The guns used were registered to Lanz's mother. It's more accurate to say that if only Lanz's mother wasn't a gun owner then this tragedy may not have happened.


I know that, and I agree with you. However MM was countering the NRA and gun lobby's standard defense of gun ownership. i.e. If gun ownership was spread wider the 'good' guys with guns would be able to mow down the 'bad' guys with guns before they could do any real harm. That fact that the first victim in this case was armed to the hilt blows that argument right out of the water.

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#34 Futtocks

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:32 AM

Mike Huckabee's sense of priorities.

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#35 JohnM

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:54 AM

:( :( :( :(

#36 Griff9of13

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:41 AM

Mike Huckabee's sense of priorities.


Good grief.


"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

#37 guess who

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:52 AM

Yes, because everyone who owns a gun is going to "lose the plot" it comes with ownership of a gun.


Where did i say everyone is going to lose the plot?

#38 Phil

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 11:58 AM

Was talking amicably enough with an american on facebook the other day. He simply could not comprehend that access to guns was the problem. He repeated the "teachers should have been packing and it would have been stopped" line. This guy isn't an idiot, I've met him several times, he's not gung-ho, but he can't shift from the "right to bear arms" paradigm.

Very sad, but a massive cultural gap lies between us and most americans on this issue.
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#39 WearyRhino

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:13 PM

How do we account for the fact that other nations have just as many firearms per capita but not the level of gun crime?

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:15 PM

These people are obviously foreigners on holiday in the states.

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