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#61 marklaspalmas

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 12:04 PM

Genuine question Daz, Mark, Robin Terry and all the other Fev fans, is it possible for you guys to increase your crowds to something like a 6-7,000 average without impacting on either Cas or Wakey (not that you'll be bothered ;) ) im not saying that 6-7,0000 is what you would need to compete in Super League, just wondering if its possible

Onward and upwards though.


Who knows? Historically there was a period of time 1960 to 1977 when all three clubs were very successful and fed off each other's success in terms of crowds for big games, especially derbies. There are obviously a large majority people whose allegiance lies strictly with one of the three clubs. Rovers have never really been big crowd pullers on a regular basis. The 1988 to 1995 period with crowds between 4 and 5K were reasonable for the period, comparable to Salford, Wakefield, etc and slightly less than Widnes, Bradford, Warrington, etc.

To find out what kind of crowds we're capable of under the current management and their marketing plans, the answer would be 'give us a go in super league'.

 

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 12:04 PM

I think they must be the long term aim Gary if we were to make it into superleague but as you say they may not be the attendances needed to be successful, obviously it would be a big help tho!!

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 12:38 PM

Rovers have never really been big crowd pullers on a regular basis. The 1988 to 1995 period with crowds between 4 and 5K were reasonable for the period, comparable to Salford, Wakefield, etc and slightly less than Widnes, Bradford, Warrington, etc.

To find out what kind of crowds we're capable of under the current management and their marketing plans, the answer would be 'give us a go in super league'.


4250 in that period but who gives a monkeys. They are the one club who has seriously looked to apply and meet the requirements who have not had a chance. There's enough failing clubs in SL for one to move aside and give them that chance, the RFL have a rule (a bad one with silly criteria) to try to give them a chance,so to me it doesn't matter whether anyone believes it will all go from strength to strength or whether they cynically believe it will be a disaster. Play fair for once and give them their turn.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:58 PM

Everyone has different opinions which is good

I don't believe we should be compared with current S/L clubs We are not in that league we work to different rules and the cash flow is different

What i would say is that as a club we are working within the guidelines of the RFL we are improving the facilities for spectators the BOD are trying there hardest to make sure everything will be right come 2014 when the applications are made and off the field things just seem to improve day by day When we do apply (if the rules haven't changed ) All I ask for is to be given the same chance as everyone else and if we are looking a better prospect given the money that a S/L club would get the let us have it and if we're not we will have to get even better As it is now I would say I am a happier supporter than some who support certain S/L clubs and when we do get there I want it to be because it was right to get there. For now keep up the excellent work Fev and we will do it

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 04:06 PM

All I ask for is to be given the same chance as everyone else and if we are looking a better prospect given the money that a S/L club would get the let us have it ......


No please no not this........

Just put Rovers in full stop.

What a complete nightmare it will be on here if Rovers have their application turned down and London Broncos remain in.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 04:34 PM

Lol!! Aye!
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:13 PM

Because they want to play at the highest level as they did in the past and not just settle for managed decline like Swinton, Oldham, Hunslet, Barrow and York appear to have done. They want to recapture the glory days when "unfancied" Featherstone beat the best the league could offer. The buzz when we beat Cas and took Wigan all the way last season had to be felt to be believed. Come on Fev!


How the Heck do you include Barrow in that list ??

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:19 PM

Jesus wept.

Is "because the club is trying to be as good as it can be" not a sufficient answer?

Well Said.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:29 PM

How the Heck do you include Barrow in that list ??


Well done FEV...................Shining example to all clubs below SL, Keep on doing the best you can and lets see what the future holds for you guys, hard work & determination usually pays dividends eventually.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:55 PM

No, not by long way. If even the most passionate of supporters can't sensibly explain themselves,and articulate the benefits, how can they expect to convince potential supporters, advertisers, and the media.


obviously they have convinced these people as attendances are up, new investors have been joining the club as well as international companies coming in as sponsors.
The club are releasing news about improvements, sponsors etc and destination super league all the time via facebook, their website and the local newspaper.
The question shouldn't be why is the club doing all this it should be why arent other clubs.
I think you're just being pedantic and trying to get bites.

#71 Padge

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 09:22 PM

Who knows? Historically there was a period of time 1960 to 1977 when all three clubs were very successful and fed off each other's success in terms of crowds for big games, especially derbies. There are obviously a large majority people whose allegiance lies strictly with one of the three clubs. Rovers have never really been big crowd pullers on a regular basis. The 1988 to 1995 period with crowds between 4 and 5K were reasonable for the period, comparable to Salford, Wakefield, etc and slightly less than Widnes, Bradford, Warrington, etc.

To find out what kind of crowds we're capable of under the current management and their marketing plans, the answer would be 'give us a go in super league'.

All 3 clubs may have had some success, however it was rare for all 3 to be up there at the same time. All 3 only made the top eight 3 times in that period.

league positions
year cas fev wakefield
60/61 17 9 7
61/62 12 3 2
62/63 4 11 12
63/64 6 4 7
64/65 3 15 4
65/66 5 15 4
66/67 8 20 3
67/68 8 18 2
68/69 4 7 8
69/70 2 8 21
70/71 12 20 5
71/72 10 7 9
72/73 7 2 5
73/74 9 8 7
74/75 8 4 10
75/76 9 2 7
76/77 3 1 11

Challenge Cup
61/62 62/63 Wakefield won it Fev losing semi finalist to Wakefield Semi drew 43,627
63/64 Cas lost in semi
64/65 Wakey lost in semi
66/67 Fev winners
67/68 Wakey losing finalist
68/69 Cas winners Wakefield lost to Cas in Semi att. 21,497
69/70 Cas winners
70/71 Cas lost in semi
72/73 Fev Winners Cas lost to Fev in semi att. 15,369
73/74 Fev losing finalist
74/75 Wakefield lost in semi
75/76 Fev lost in semi

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:35 PM

All 3 clubs may have had some success, however it was rare for all 3 to be up there at the same time. All 3 only made the top eight 3 times in that period.

league positions
year cas fev wakefield
60/61 17 9 7
61/62 12 3 2
62/63 4 11 12
63/64 6 4 7
64/65 3 15 4
65/66 5 15 4
66/67 8 20 3
67/68 8 18 2
68/69 4 7 8
69/70 2 8 21
70/71 12 20 5
71/72 10 7 9
72/73 7 2 5
73/74 9 8 7
74/75 8 4 10
75/76 9 2 7
76/77 3 1 11

Challenge Cup
61/62 62/63 Wakefield won it Fev losing semi finalist to Wakefield Semi drew 43,627
63/64 Cas lost in semi
64/65 Wakey lost in semi
66/67 Fev winners
67/68 Wakey losing finalist
68/69 Cas winners Wakefield lost to Cas in Semi att. 21,497
69/70 Cas winners
70/71 Cas lost in semi
72/73 Fev Winners Cas lost to Fev in semi att. 15,369
73/74 Fev losing finalist
74/75 Wakefield lost in semi
75/76 Fev lost in semi


Yes, your stats back up my point well. Ta.

 

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:41 PM

Yes, your stats back up my point well. Ta.

It depends what your point was. If it was that all 3 were successful at the same time for the majority of seasons 60/61 - 76/77 then it doesn't back up your point, if your point is that all 3 had possibly their most successful years during that period then it does back up your point.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:46 PM

It depends what your point was. If it was that all 3 were successful at the same time for the majority of seasons 60/61 - 76/77 then it doesn't back up your point, if your point is that all 3 had possibly their most successful years during that period then it does back up your point.


The latter, in a very general way.

 

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:50 PM

The latter, in a very general way.

Then, yes, they back up your point.

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#76 Chappies Dummy

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:52 PM

Fishing for a bite there padge?

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 11:02 PM

Fishing for a bite there padge?

Nope, somebody makes a claim, I go and check it out, I post what I have found, regardless.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 08:08 AM

Rather than driving 15 mile to watch say, Leeds Rhin or Cas or Wakefield, new supporters have an allegiance to Featherstone Rovers because....

Almost there. Now, why do you want to be in SuperLeague? What can you bring to SuperLeague. Make sure that you are not seen as doing this at the expense of other clubs but by bringing lapsed fans and new fans into the game.

I will try to explain from my personal point of view. My wife did not have any time at all for Rovers but since the club has started looking at cheerleading classes plus rugby and dance holiday camps then she now takes a genuine interest and actually has actually sat through 2 games. Now if you can get my wife to change her mind then there must be other people who are a lot more easily swayed. So take my misses has an example, why would she want to travel 15 miles to watch Leeds Rhinos when she has and never will have any desire to watch them.

In short (and I thought I had answered this before) if you get people interested in the club for a variety of reasons then there is a chance they will turn up on match day and pay to watch the first team.

Your last paragraph is superb. Not saying we are but why can't we be seen to be doing things at the expense of other clubs? They have been doing it for years at the expense of us.

Could you finally have the decency to explain why you have brought this little game to a positive thread about Fev Rovers but have not tried that on positive threads about the game in general (the world cup as the example given). Probably me being a typical paranoid flat capper but if you could please explain it might make me less bitter and twiseted over Christmas. :)
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:01 AM

Nope, somebody makes a claim, I go and check it out, I post what I have found, regardless.

I'm not a stats man at all Padge but am I right in thinking there was something like a 12 to 15 year period from 1970s through to the 1980s where Wigan didn't pull off a win at Featherstone? I seem to remember that being the case but would love to know the actual facts when you've time to check them please.
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:29 AM

I'm not a stats man at all Padge but am I right in thinking there was something like a 12 to 15 year period from 1970s through to the 1980s where Wigan didn't pull off a win at Featherstone? I seem to remember that being the case but would love to know the actual facts when you've time to check them please.


If it's Fev stats you're after Terry, you know where to come.....

16 wins, 2 draws and 3 defeats in 21 home league games from 1941 to 1984

41-2 Featherstone 15 Wigan 7
43-4 Featherstone 5 Wigan 14
44-5 Featherstone 9 Wigan 8
55-6 Featherstone 13 Wigan 6
56-7 Featherstone 15 Wigan 9
58-9 Featherstone 13 Wigan 6
62-3 Featherstone 20 Wigan 10
63-4 Featherstone 17 Wigan 13
64-5 Featherstone 0 Wigan 32
70-1 Featherstone 11 Wigan 29
72-3 Featherstone 38 Wigan 5
73-4 Featherstone 14 Wigan 13
74-5 Featherstone 14 Wigan 8
75-6 Featherstone 20 Wigan 15
76-7 Featherstone 20 Wigan 14
77-8 Featherstone 19 Wigan 8
78-9 Featherstone 13 Wigan 13
81-2 Featherstone 26 Wigan 14
82-3 Featherstone 9 Wigan 9
83-4 Featherstone 15 Wigan 6
84-5 Featherstone 20 Wigan 10
85-6 Featherstone 12 Wigan 26
86-7 Featherstone 0 Wigan 36
88-9 Featherstone 19 Wigan 24
89-90 Featherstone 20 Wigan 26
90-1 Featherstone 16 Wigan 24
91-2 Featherstone 13 Wigan 34
93-4 Featherstone 35 Wigan 22
94-5 Featherstone 24 Wigan 36

 

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