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#41 Eddie_Rombo

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 02:28 PM

Catching, passing, tackling maybe?


So how come Akaidere gets into the first team? I haven't seen any evidence of this!

#42 grumpyoldram

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:05 PM

Hmm,! This is getting a bit like "the older I get the quicker they were". Some of the players mentioned were admittedly nippy but not fast, as GOR's original contention says. I can't really see Pachniuk, Baker, Godfrey etc. making a length of the filed dash successfully in pursued by a fast winger. But maybe my memory works the wrong way around and they all get slower as i get older? :lol:


Well my memory sometimes can be selective - for instance I often forget about patch's brilliant kicking game, turn of pace and eye for an opening, but I would reckon Godfrey would have been quicker than anybody we have now, quicker than most mentioned and not far off being as quick as Brynn. Baker usually got the nod over him (including in the final), presumably because his defence wasn't the best.

#43 leedsram

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 08:38 PM

austin looks quick to me and craven is no slouch either

#44 Superdave

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:18 AM

Has anybody so far has mentioned Adrian Flynn? Scored a try away at Workington and the worky fan next to us turned to his son and said "that's a proper winger that is".

#45 gittinsfan

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:19 AM

I suppose GOR and myself are of a similar era.

I have always thought Mick Shoebottom was always the most gifted and talented stand off I ever saw.

McGuire is very similar in his play but in my opinion is not as creative or quick.

Unfortunately ,Shoebottom was one of the dirtiest players I ever saw.

I always found it ironic that his career was ended by a particularly nasty tackle from Colin Dixon

If that tackle happened with todays technology it would be a big hit on U tube

#46 grumpyoldram

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:44 AM

I suppose GOR and myself are of a similar era.

I have always thought Mick Shoebottom was always the most gifted and talented stand off I ever saw.

McGuire is very similar in his play but in my opinion is not as creative or quick.

Unfortunately ,Shoebottom was one of the dirtiest players I ever saw.

I always found it ironic that his career was ended by a particularly nasty tackle from Colin Dixon

If that tackle happened with todays technology it would be a big hit on U tube


Always a tie between him and hardisty for me, but like you say, shoey was nasty. What about roger the dodger - forgot about him.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:50 AM

I agree,Hardisty was special but I think of him more as a partnership with Hepworth.Not quite so effective on his own.

Roger Millward was also very good.If I remember correctly,his career was ended in a 2nd team game at the Mount when somebody bundled him into the railings.

#48 Blind side johnny

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:42 PM

Wally Lewis was head and shoulders above the rest IMHO.


Who was the best (genuine) stand off that Dewsbury have had? History would say Vic Hey but there can't be many around now who can remember him playing.
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#49 grumpyoldram

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 01:18 PM

Wally Lewis was head and shoulders above the rest IMHO.


Who was the best (genuine) stand off that Dewsbury have had? History would say Vic Hey but there can't be many around now who can remember him playing.


Oh well - if you are going down under I'd say it would be a tight call between lewis,johns and lockyer.

If we actually played him at stand off before he went to bradford (and I can't remember if we did), I'd say nigel was the best that I can recall - certainly the only one that could beat a man.

#50 EQUALIZER

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 03:25 PM

The player that showed the most devasting pace in a one off situation BIG JIM NAYLOR. Cental Park Friday night, foggy as owt gods side.About 30 die hards at most.Late on Newall ball in hand and other players stop waiting for a foreward pass ref didnt blow Big Jim snatches ball and runs like a juggernaught to the line.We won score 20 16 ish.Now the argument is that Big Jim claims it was 40yds ozzy says 10 from memory id say 20 to 25.Great win though one from the archives.

#51 Eddie_Rombo

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:35 PM

Danny Brough is quick

Edited by Eddie_Rombo, 01 January 2013 - 04:35 PM.


#52 sadram

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 05:07 PM

Danny Brough is quick

on his way to the bookies.
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#53 Eddie_Rombo

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 07:23 PM

on his way to the bookies.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

#54 mahtsalleh

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:55 AM

Going back into the mists of time...
The, aready mentioned, Geoff Yoward was as fast as anyone I ever saw in red,amber and black. He (at least once) competed in the Powderhall sprint. Didn't get selected as often as he should have been.
I also remember Mick Stephenson scoring an 80 yard try up the Crown Flatt slope - and he had a number 9 on his back, when hookers actually had to be hookers.
We once had a stand off called Ormonroyd who, in my recollection, was no slouch, and back when Roy Pollard (pretty quick) was scoring tries on one wing, there was often a guy called Hemingway on the other. A bit of a fancy Dan with Brylcream Superfix ensuring his quiff was immovable, but whenever he got the ball the stamping on the stand boarding was deafening (similar to when Eddie Rombo got the ball in more recent times).
Other than those, and others already mentioned, Dewsbury wingers have tended to be steamrollers a la Jack Austin, and before him Gordon Waring who really knew his way to the tryline.
Pace isn't everything, but it does often make up for a lot of other shortcomings (see Martin Offiah for instance).
There's nothing to beat watching a player such as Jason Robinson get hold of the ball in a bit of space, and the accompanying anticipation that you're about to see something special.

#55 mahtsalleh

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 01:22 AM

Lewis Jones was the most all-round talented stand off I saw (with the RU kicking game developed in the Valleys). However I remember once standing next to a Leeds' fan who was complaining bitterly that he wouldn't tackle (he'd obviously never seen Danny Cipriani when making that assessment). In fact for many years I regarded him as the best-ever RL player. That changed when Ellery Hanley was in his prime. Nowadays, the guy I like to watch is Benjy Marshall, he just has that bit of "magic".
Thinking back about Dewsbury stand-offs, I remember a guy called Edwards who had genuine class. And, when he wanted to be, which unfortunately was not every week, Glynn Davies was "magic". Apart from those (and to a lesser degree Nigel Stephenson, who could have been a great stand off had he just had some pace off the mark) I have to say Dewsbury has rarely been blessed with a classy stand off. In more recent times the Agars, Chris Vasey and Davide Longo were pretty good, but were not near the "world class" category.
Just a few miles away there was a really classy stand off called Topliss whom no one has mentioned yet?
I can't remember seeing Vic Hey play, but my father always said he was the best (at that time) Dewsbury had ever had, although my understanding is that he was a tackle-buster rather than a tackle dodger.



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#56 grumpyoldram

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:11 AM

Lewis Jones was the most all-round talented stand off I saw (with the RU kicking game developed in the Valleys). However I remember once standing next to a Leeds' fan who was complaining bitterly that he wouldn't tackle (he'd obviously never seen Danny Cipriani when making that assessment). In fact for many years I regarded him as the best-ever RL player. That changed when Ellery Hanley was in his prime. Nowadays, the guy I like to watch is Benjy Marshall, he just has that bit of "magic".
Thinking back about Dewsbury stand-offs, I remember a guy called Edwards who had genuine class. And, when he wanted to be, which unfortunately was not every week, Glynn Davies was "magic". Apart from those (and to a lesser degree Nigel Stephenson, who could have been a great stand off had he just had some pace off the mark) I have to say Dewsbury has rarely been blessed with a classy stand off. In more recent times the Agars, Chris Vasey and Davide Longo were pretty good, but were not near the "world class" category.
Just a few miles away there was a really classy stand off called Topliss whom no one has mentioned yet?
I can't remember seeing Vic Hey play, but my father always said he was the best (at that time) Dewsbury had ever had, although my understanding is that he was a tackle-buster rather than a tackle dodger.



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Forgotten all about davies - good player, and if I remember correctly he was a genuine taffy.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:45 AM

Didn't Alan Hardisty virtually destroy the career of a very promising young Batley player with an awful challenge whilst he was in the process of scoring a try? Might be wrong, but remember my Grandad telling me a tale to that effect. Maybe an older Batley fan can enlighten me?

#58 grumpyoldram

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:36 AM

Didn't Alan Hardisty virtually destroy the career of a very promising young Batley player with an awful challenge whilst he was in the process of scoring a try? Might be wrong, but remember my Grandad telling me a tale to that effect. Maybe an older Batley fan can enlighten me?


Don't remember that, but it's possible I suppose. Hardisty was never an intentionally dirty player though - now if it had it been shoebottom....... :rolleyes:

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:12 PM

Forgotten all about davies - good player, and if I remember correctly he was a genuine taffy.


Wasn't his name Gwyn rather than Glynn? When Davies was at Huddersfield there was a piece in one of the Rugby League Yearbooks written by his brother Alan, who was a centre at Wigan, and I think an international. He said that Gwyn was the better player of the 2 brothers, but had never reached his full potential. Gwyn's temper got the better of him on more than one occasion, most noticably when he was banned sine die for manhandling the referee, and again after his ban was lifted when he was reported to have dragged a member of the Dewsbury committee into the showers and soaked him over a difference of opinion, an action which effectively ended his invovement with the club.

Back to the thread, there were so many brilliant stand off halves over the years I've watched the game, but if I had to pick a favourite it would be Roger the Dodger. If centres and back 3 forwards were running for him he could find them a gap in the tightest of defences and put them through it faster than you could work out what was happening.

#60 mahtsalleh

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:54 AM

You're probably right (Gwynn rather than Glynn, I'm a bit like Jonathan Woss in pronouncing vowels).
His brother Alan did play at international level.
I remember Davies getting his sine die ban. I believe it was in a cup tie against Trinity and the ref has just given them a very dubious penalty,the latest in a string of bad decisions against Dewsbury, which Neil Fox had hit between the posts to put Trinity ahead. As they returned to the halfway line for the restart, Davies simply let loose a haymaker which put the ref on his derriere. There were more than a few Davies-sympathizers in the crowd. Hadn't heard about the committee-man incident, but I do remember a few who may well have deserved a dowsing. One of these brought a winger called Pratt from Morley RU and pronounced him as the next Roy Pollard. The guy's name should have given him a clue. He could run, but it was only in a direction away from the opposition, backwards, sidewards but rarely forwards. And stopping a paper bag in a gust of wind was beyond him.

I can also remember watching Roger Millward as a schoolboy on Sunday afternoon TV (B&W) with Dewsbury's least favourite son commentating. He was at the time, Eddie told us, "mercurial", which presumably was approaching "ubiquitous". That adjective Eddie reserved for Alex Murphy.




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