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[foozler]

Isn't the real target the potential income streams that come from ownership ? I expect a cash strapped local authority will eagerly transfer their interest . Peel Holdings maybe different.

According to Granada TV last night, the deal will be done by monday night............

I read him saying in the MEN that a club can only be sustainable if it owns the stadium. At the same time on the MEN there is an article about the 'horror' cuts taking place in Salford Council which would suggest the council is open to offers for non essential assets such as part ownership of a recently built sports stadium.

I'm not sure the whole deal would have gotten this far had there not been a decent probability of the Dr purchasing some or all of the ground.

[Bulliac]

Yes fair point - I guess the point I was making is that Salford, Cas and Wakey are very similar in may respects. Wakey go into admin and come out smelling of roses, Salford have a winding up petition filed against them and (seemingly) come out smelling of roses.Also, London are surviving on average crowds below 3,000

Pre Christmas, the board at Cas came out and begged and pleaded for us all to buy a membership to ensure the financial future of the club. Many have done this (nearly 3,500 I believe) despite the worst season in many many years but still not quite sure where we go if we don;t get to 5,000

It begs the question if this was the right move - Salford sent out a rallying cry with the Save our Salford campaign asking for donations basically and had a paltry attendance at a pre-season fixture - are they worth saving? Somebody thinks so. I really don't buy this RL needs a club in Manchester nonsense

Cas own a lot of land - perhaps the business plan should be "F*ck it, let's go into administration, clear our debts and crack on - somebody must want us for the land value if nothing else"

I genuinely fear for our club and am honest enough to say that there is an element of the green eyed monster in my post when a club like Salford (similar to Cas in so many respects) can attract this sort of backer.

It will be interesting to see how the next 12 months pan out

I think you maybe should be carefull what you wish for.

All assets will be used by the Admin to pay the debts, so if the ground and its environs are owned by the club they may well go for other purposes and though a tanking economy clearly means the number of potential buyers may will be limited, there are still 'sharks' out there - supermarkets, for example, who will buy land just to prevent someone else from doing so. In admin terms, the Bulls were 'fortunate' in not owning the ground or much else other than the stands within the ground, so there was little, if anything, to sell off and the actual company value was very little. It sounds like Cas are not so 'fortunate' so admin may well be something to be avoided.

[John Rhino]

So we've got rich backers at most clubs, let's get rid of the salary cap and have some fun with the game.

I think a close look at football, Chelsea in particular, knocks that idea on the head.

[Just Browny]

So we've got rich backers at most clubs, let's get rid of the salary cap and have some fun with the game.

That sort of strategic thinking may well gain traction on the Wigan RLFans board, but all of the wealthy backers we have involved in our game have long since moved on (including Wigan's, I should add). I don't think we'd see clubs paying David Vaealiki 200-300k a year these days.

Edited by Just Browny, 19 January 2013 - 12:17 PM.

[Finn]

That sort of strategic thinking may well gain traction on the Wigan RLFans board, but all of the wealthy backers we have involved in our game have long since moved on (including Wigan's, I should add). I don't think we'd see clubs paying David Vaealiki 200-300k a year these days.

Ok let's just carry on as we are now and watch the game slip further and further towards mediocity in all fields.

[Saintslass]

Ok let's just carry on as we are now and watch the game slip further and further towards mediocity in all fields.

The key surely is for the RFL to push clubs into being more responsible with their money. Fundamentally I think that has been the problem. With the rise in the Aussie dollar and the massive bucks deals going on there just now, that should stop the influx of journeymen imports into this country - thankfully - and therefore clubs will be forced into looking at the talent we have at home first which, in turn, should save them a lot of cash. Those who have yet to do so may also give some thought to developing their own talent and perhaps putting in some effort to reach out to and work in partnership with amateur clubs in their localities or even outside them. There is bound to be talented young rugby league players in this country but it has been some time since clubs outside of the Championships have actually taken the time to look for them.

[The Parksider]

clubs will be forced into looking at the talent we have at home first which, in turn, should save them a lot of cash. Those who have yet to do so may also give some thought to developing their own talent. There is bound to be talented young rugby league players in this country but it has been some time since clubs outside of the Championships have actually taken the time to look for them.

I think Super league scouts everywhere they can with several clubs chasing the same "talent".

It needs more kids playing especially around the M60 and yes your right, Salford would be an asset to SL and the game if they promoted junior RL and looked at this long term...

[Bulliac]

Ok let's just carry on as we are now and watch the game slip further and further towards mediocity in all fields.

What RL needs is a competition in which all clubs are capable of winning games, not one in which one or two buy all the better players and don't give the others a look in. You may have forgotten, but in the mid nineties, the fact that the one existing professional club then had all the best players and was winning a far from healthy amount of matches and 'pots',and that fact was probably the biggest driving force in setting up SL in the first place. It was an unsustainable situation then and it is unsustainable now.

[Finn]

What RL needs is a competition in which all clubs are capable of winning games, not one in which one or two buy all the better players and don't give the others a look in. You may have forgotten, but in the mid nineties, the fact that the one existing professional club then had all the best players and was winning a far from healthy amount of matches and 'pots',and that fact was probably the biggest driving force in setting up SL in the first place. It was an unsustainable situation then and it is unsustainable now.

Whilst at the same time the international game was bouyant and the publicity generated outside the M62 corridor was far, far greater than now.

[Ponterover]

Whilst at the same time the international game was bouyant and the publicity generated outside the M62 corridor was far, far greater than now.

That's very true, you could talk about the game outside the heartlands and not have to explain what it was first.

[Dave T]

I regularly discuss rl with folk in Edinburgh. Not really an issue.

Maybe people should just watch the game and enjoy it rather than moaning about things which arent a major issue.

[Wellsy4HullFC]

Whilst at the same time the international game was bouyant and the publicity generated outside the M62 corridor was far, far greater than now.

The International game benefitted from cross code stars. There's no way we could be in a position to do that again given the money in union.

[kioli]

The International game benefitted from cross code stars. There's no way we could be in a position to do that again given the money in union.

It won't be long till we see a few top level NZ/SA unionites recruited to the NRL imo.

[The Parksider]

Ok let's just carry on as we are now and watch the game slip further and further towards mediocrity in all fields.

If we want to get away from mediocrity we need to analyse why the game is becoming mediocre and address that. This can be discussed on the Licensing/P & R thread.

However as far as Salford go having a rich man at the helm may help them rise above the mediocrity they have delivered SL for years (just a fact not a dig). I hope he does that not by simply outbidding currently more vibrant clubs for their players, but re-builds the game around the M60.

He's not even on board yet and I want him to rescue RL in and around Manchester/Salford. A tad unfair, but we won't get away from mediocrity just by inflating wages.

[John Rhino]

If we want to get away from mediocrity we need to analyse why the game is becoming mediocre and address that. This can be discussed on the Licensing/P & R thread.

However as far as Salford go having a rich man at the helm may help them rise above the mediocrity they have delivered SL for years (just a fact not a dig). I hope he does that not by simply outbidding currently more vibrant clubs for their players, but re-builds the game around the M60.

He's not even on board yet and I want him to rescue RL in and around Manchester/Salford. A tad unfair, but we won't get away from mediocrity just by inflating wages.

Well said. And the point about the much higher profile in the past was because it was on the BBC every week. My wife's father used to watch it without fail in NI of all places.

Other posters have noticed Cliff Mitchelmore mentioned it (twice) on the 1963 Big Freeze programme. Again this is because the BBC were losing games to broadcast!

You can't have it both ways, BBC or proper money from SKY.

Now back to Salford - anyone hearing if there will be an announcement tomorrow or doesn't the good Doctor do it like that?

[keighley]

If we want to get away from mediocrity we need to analyse why the game is becoming mediocre and address that. This can be discussed on the Licensing/P & R thread.

However as far as Salford go having a rich man at the helm may help them rise above the mediocrity they have delivered SL for years (just a fact not a dig). I hope he does that not by simply outbidding currently more vibrant clubs for their players, but re-builds the game around the M60.

He's not even on board yet and I want him to rescue RL in and around Manchester/Salford. A tad unfair, but we won't get away from mediocrity just by inflating wages.

Good day, Parksider, a rare moment of agreement between us.

[The Parksider]

You can't have it both ways, BBC or proper money from SKY.

Now back to Salford......

You'd be welcome on t'other thread to develop that point...

Yes indeed - back to Salford

[Futtocks]

From the Star: Dr Marwan Koukash is determined to turn crisis club Reds into a dynasty.

[kioli]

From the Star: Dr Marwan Koukash is determined to turn crisis club Reds into a dynasty.

Impressive, how much is he expected to pay for the stadium?

[Middleman]

Impressive, how much is he expected to pay for the stadium?

build cost was 18 Million ( 15 Million for the Lego , 3 Million for the road(s) ) A bit more than a 3-bed condo in Hyde Park Corner.
http://www.buckingha...ity_stadium.pdf

the story is he's offered less .. and the whole deal is wrapped up in it .

He's also after a stake in the remaining retail development land around it. again to provide future income outside of rugby activities.
http://menmedia.co.u...trafford-centre