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#121 a.n Other

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:18 AM

What I think the RFL should be doing, is getting a collection of stuff for the World Cup and other major events and have a touring museum. If we are serious about getting new fans to the games, from London, Cardiff, Ireland and beyond, let's show them the magnificent history that our game has - I suspect that many would be surprised and impressed!


Think that is a great idea. I know the actual World Cup have been going round host towns and cities. Get a mobile museum set up
in town/city centres etc.

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#122 marklaspalmas

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

It is a pity that this thread has gone off track a couple of times but maybe we should all look at how we can preserve our heritage.
In an earlier post I gave details of my experiences with regard to this subject and the RFL. I also admonished the RFL administrators of almost twenty years ago who (whatever anybody thinks) made a cods of our centenary celebrations.
HOWEVER that is water under the bridge now and maybe somebody of some standing could pull all our heritage stuff together.
Stevo is massively interested in it all (as are all the other people involved currently at the George). Maybe they, along with the likes of Tony Collins and possibly Martyn Sadler, could spearhead a group to look at various options with regard to an all-encompassing heritage centre.
The current displays are superb but do not cover the entire sport by any means. There are many magnificent private collections out there which if all located in a single place would form a superb museam/heritage centre which could be built on year by year.
It certainly would be nice to fill the George with it all but not essential.
The Soccer museum at Preston was a new building and was centred around one man's private collection (I can't remember his name). This was controversially moved to Manchester in the last year or so and is a major tourist attraction in that City.
Maybe Manchester would be interested in housing a RL collection of similar quality?
I have to admit to being a bit obsessive with my collecting as I won't throw anything whatsover out if there is a RL connection. This has been going on for fifty years now so I am unlikely to stop LOL.
The only club I know with a proper museum type display area is Widnes and I had the pleasure of a tour of that by Deb who runs it. Other clubs have trophy areas, etc and some have bits of displays such as Hall of Fames etc.
Imagine if all this could be replicated in one building - it would be superb for sure.
I think I mentioned earlier that the Lottery Heritage Fund looks the most likely source of funding for such a venture and they down the years have given massive financial backing to some far less deserving ventures. Just a though (or maybe a dream :)).

PS: For once I don't think this is the RFLs responsibility as they have far bigger fish to fry. No reason why some "ordinary people" can't do it though.


Yes. +1.

On your last point I agree, but it would be much easier to co-ordinate a sport-wide project from HQ.

#123 Dave T

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:23 AM

Think that is a great idea. I know the actual World Cup have been going round host towns and cities. Get a mobile museum set up
in town/city centres etc.

I think it would be cheaper and also a great promotional tool. It could be taken to schools, colleges, universities, be stationed at matches, press launches etc.
I think it is a shame that many people are unaware of the history of this great game of ours, there are some fantastic stories to be told.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:32 AM

I'm for this idea of a move from Redhall not only from a heritage point of view but also because the significance of the building would enhance the prestige of the Governing body for the sport and seemingly find a true spiritual home and rightful place to operate from. This is a major opportunity for the sport in what is a major year and would bring all the right attention to Rugby League from the media. I really hope they seriously think about this one as the pro's massively outweight the cons IMO.
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#125 JohnM

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:50 AM

As has been pointed out, at a rough guess the RFL would need to raise about £5 million to buy and renovate the George, plus it would take quite a lot of management time and effort. However, the liquidators, Colliers International said "the heritage centre was separately owned and not part of the sale of the hotel."

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:50 AM

Think that is a great idea. I know the actual World Cup have been going round host towns and cities. Get a mobile museum set up
in town/city centres etc.


I wouldn't hold my breath after the absolute farce that was appointing a trophy tour manager!
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#127 Dave T

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:50 AM

I wouldn't hold my breath after the absolute farce that was appointing a trophy tour manager!

Why what happened there?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:24 PM

Sam.

(Not the fireman, btw.)

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union whats that?

#129 Gav Wilson

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:36 PM

Why what happened there?


My mate applied for the job after it was advertised on the RFL website and got an interview.

They interviewed all day on December 9th at Media City, each one lasted about an hour and included a presentation.

He then heard nothing back from them for a week so assumed he didn't get the job.

The RFL then ring him on December 19th telling my mate that he was their favourite candidate and he pretty much has the job, subject to a few little details that needed ironing out, and they would call him to confirm the following day.

No phone call the following day, or the day after that... My mate then tried ringing them each working day over the holiday period so he knew where he stood and so he could beging preparing for the job.

They then called him back yesterday to tell him that they are now outsourcing the job to an external company.


What an almighty waste of a lot of people's time and resources. Indecision like that must end up costing a fortune!
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#130 Gav Wilson

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:42 PM

You won't find a bigger defender of the RFL than me, but that whole episode was utterly perplexing.
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#131 OMEGA

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:16 PM

There's a hotel being built next to the new Wakefield Trinity stadium, it would be a good home for the history of the game.
Wakefield were a founding member of the Northern Union and were in attendance at the George Hotel in 1895, the location of the new stadium is geographically pretty central to the games support base and is right off the M62 and one junction (about 1.5miles) from the M1. Fans travelling to just about any away game will at some point drive past or very near the location and a stop over would be easy and simple.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:24 PM

I have never visited the place,alway's intended to and it was/is my intention to visit when I come home in a few months.Hope it gets reopened soon
but you and I weve been through that and this is not our fate.
So let us so let us not talk falsely now.
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#133 Futtocks

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:31 PM

On the market for £1.4 million, apparently. Have a look down the back of your sofas!

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#134 Ant

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:42 PM

Hmmm are you sure. A number of companies, each with no little commercial nous, have tried and failed to make a going concern of it over the years, hence its recent closure. Hotels, like pubs, are very difficult to make money out of nowadays and they require regular investment to maintain their quality. I don't think that anyone will be rushing to buy this.

(Nor do I think the RFL should touch it with a barge pole.)


The companies that had run it clearly didnt have that much commercial nous since they have all gone belly up.

It might be the George is a commercial venture but the rest of the chain has dragged it under.

However from my observations the companies running it have failed on several key areas:

1. Under investment - decor and services have become dated and worn without replacement, visitors immediately become aware that the hotel has seen better days

2. Price: Ties into 1 slightly but they thought it was a 4* hotel and charged accordingly. Sad fact is the lack of investment meant it wasn't close to that and in my experience neither was the service but they charged a lot to stay there when very close are a dozen hotels with better facilities and lower rates

3. Poor marketing: the George hotel has an utterly unique selling point, yet was it ever involved in sports tours, packages for visiting fans? Accommodation for international touring parties? No. They had something utterly unique and failed to sell it.

Somebody could make the George work very well. I very much doubt it's going to be a chain of hotels no one has heard of though

#135 shaun mc

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:15 PM

Last time we were in (March 2011), it was deserted.
We decided to have a sandwich, they took ages to come. The beer (Caffreys) wasn't the best I've had by a long way. No draught cider or bottles. We had to search the place to find a member of staff for the bill, and it was expensive. You could tell it was a place on the way down, which was sad really.



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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:21 PM

The companies that had run it clearly didnt have that much commercial nous since they have all gone belly up.

It might be the George is a commercial venture but the rest of the chain has dragged it under.

However from my observations the companies running it have failed on several key areas:

1. Under investment - decor and services have become dated and worn without replacement, visitors immediately become aware that the hotel has seen better days

2. Price: Ties into 1 slightly but they thought it was a 4* hotel and charged accordingly. Sad fact is the lack of investment meant it wasn't close to that and in my experience neither was the service but they charged a lot to stay there when very close are a dozen hotels with better facilities and lower rates

3. Poor marketing: the George hotel has an utterly unique selling point, yet was it ever involved in sports tours, packages for visiting fans? Accommodation for international touring parties? No. They had something utterly unique and failed to sell it.

Somebody could make the George work very well. I very much doubt it's going to be a chain of hotels no one has heard of though


There's your opportunity to make a fortune then. With your business acumen it will be a piece of cake.

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#137 Griff

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:55 PM

Are we talking about the RFL using it for offices or running it as an hotel ? :mellow:
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:01 PM

Are we talking about the RFL using it for offices or running it as an hotel ? :mellow:

I hope neither.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:56 PM

The problem wouldn't be the beds - as someone flippantly said - it'd be that every office had an en suite bathroom.

Not going to happen - don't fret. B)
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:28 PM

The problem wouldn't be the beds - as someone flippantly said - it'd be that every office had an en suite bathroom.


I do hope it isn't me that you are referring <_< because I'm in exactly the opposite of flippant mood :angry: so ner

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