Those who believe in licencing won't ever yeild.
I and other who want a return to p&r are never going to change.
Is there actually anyone in the middle?
Is there any points to these threads now we've kind of established who has what opinion?
It's not as black and white as that Robin.
I don't know that anyone is against P & R full stop at all?
There are various models of competition you can go for. the make up of SL can be 10, 12, 14, 16, clubs.
You therefore have a range from attempting to concentrate all the resources at 10 clubs and getting a truly competetive competition from top to bottom. Jamie peacock likes this one.
Or you can go for 10 clubs with another 10 clubs below geared to P & R. that may achieve the above, but keeps an open door for other clubs.
At this point the question of finance crops up and you can't as things stand apply SKY money to a second tier of SL unless SKY have a sea change in attitude to the elite.
12 clubs rather than 14 was favourite because the move to 14 has seen the collapse of several superleague clubs. The 14 may however stay put as there is now a mini rush of interested investors (Khan, Koukash, Nahaboo, Larvin, Glover, Abbot)
In fact it could be considered 16 clubs is the way to go, but then again you have to look at finance. Some SL clubs turn over millions whilst some clubs who want a go at SL manage only a million turnover.
So where to place the salary cap?? Bring it down to even up the competition?? if we go for 16 or even stay at 14? Are we overpaying SL players? OR take it up in a 10 club league to ensure we reward our best and keep them in the game??
And what of P & R in any of the scenarios? Bring the cap down so it can work better? Clubs may stay up? Put in "standards" to stop clubs yo-yoing, but nobody may be able to reach the standard and so we get P & R but clubs don't go anywhere? Go for auto P & R and enjoy the yo-yoing whilst the rich clubs get on with winning everything?
Then how about expansion? Do we engineer in clubs outside of the north? Do we then allow them to drop out through relegation and spoil any such development plan to facilitate auto P & R. How do we best attract sponsors with the competition?
There's so many combinations Robin that it's not simple, it's a fascinating balance of resources, finances, playing strengths, protecting the game, developing the game. pleasing old fans attracting new fans. It's a debate that can run and run because it's very complicated.
Sadly however too many people on here have an axe to grind. They want their club in SL and don't really care about the debate but will argue anything as long as it puts their club in pole position. There's those who hate SKY and just want it to go away anyway and for RL to get back to the cosy semi pro game of the north.
So that's why I started a thread on are we stuck with SKY? and the answer is yes. Are we stuck with only being able to fund the top division and the answer is yes.
So the question is what is the best format in terms of club numbers, locations, salary caps, playing strengths, transfers of clubs in and out of the format, etc that is BEST FOR THE GAME OF RUGBY LEAGUE.
We keep trying to have this debate Robin but it does keep collapsing because too many people can't keep an open mind, and a civil tongue.