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#41 JohnM

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

Quite so. There are the shopping centres - the ones I've been too are warm, dry, clean, tidy and not exposed to the weather. The better ones also have covered parking.

For those who can't, don't or won't drive, there are varying levels of public transport.

For those who can't, won't or don't want that, then yes the choice is getting less and less. Town centre rents and business rates too high? lack of free parking?

Round here, they run weekly coach trips to the shopping flesh-pots of Lincoln and Sheffield.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

As generations pass, that part of the population will almost certainly drop to a very small number. There'll always be some, for whatever reason, but there won't be enough for any business to see them as a significant factor.


In the future I quite agree, but I don't think we are at that stage yet.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:52 PM

I don't think any large shops kill off smaller ones. It's us customers that do that. If we don't want to go any pay HMV's inflated prices, we won't.

People can sneer and call others sheep, but ultimately, if I can get a game or DVD or CD for quite a lot cheaper online, and have it delivered directly to my door, then that's what I'll do.

I'll try and support independent shops wherever I can, but only if they can offer me a decent service at a reasonable price.

Obviously it's where people spend their cash that decides who survives and who goes under but what you describe as 'HMV's inflated prices' were a result of their practice of undercutting small retailers who couldn't compete and went out of business as a result, leaving the way clear for HMV to inflate those prices and increase their profit margins. I appreciate that' it's just business and the market evolves continually but I'm not sorry to see the biter bit.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:53 PM

I like to browse actual physically-present products, look through shelves and racks, and often end up buying something that wouldn't have normally occurred to me. Or spending more than I'd planned. I know I'm not alone in this, but if the portion of the buying public that just automatically buys new and/or heavily marketed products* is lucrative enough to support an industry, why should they pander to me?

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#45 JohnM

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

Obviously it's where people spend their cash that decides who survives and who goes under but what you describe as 'HMV's inflated prices' were a result of their practice of undercutting small retailers who couldn't compete and went out of business as a result, leaving the way clear for HMV to inflate those prices and increase their profit margins. I appreciate that' it's just business and the market evolves continually but I'm not sorry to see the biter bit.


1. Not sorry to see HMV go either. A retail bomb-site!( for their staff. it might even be blessed relief!! If...)
2. Not entirely convinced that small retailers can't compete. If they are as good (bad) as the HMV management, then maybe, but as in al competitive situations, they need to embrace change and use their smallness to be innovative and quick to adapt.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

But maybe the old High Street is no longer required. That may be sad, but what's the point of keeping things alive for nostalgiac reasons.

I don't like the make-up of town centres now with so many cheap and nasty shops, but I wonder if over time we will see more town centre homes with smaller high streets. I don't see that as a bad thing.

I imagine we might see more and more people returning to town and city centres to live. Not a bad thing IMO, many of them are like ghost towns once the shops close.

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#47 JohnM

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:30 PM

Its not your imagination, I reckon it is happening already.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:33 PM

I have only ever been in one HMV store (at Leeds when attending the World Club Challenge a few years back) so no impact on me.

Plus at my age all the stuff I want (Motown and Soul) comes very cheap from Tesco on compilation dvds. One of the advantages of getting old maybe :).

Re the voucher situation I listened to an interesting piece on Radio 4 (another example of old age LOL) when Comet closed and the financial expert on there was telling people NEVER to give vouchers as presents. He said cash is the only guaranteed redeemable.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:50 PM

Whilst there are many similarities between the Jessops and HMV situations, I'd suggest there are differences in their respective markets. Some items, such as expensive cameras, clothes, etc, people often like to touch, try on, etc before purchasing. In such cases, whilst high street stores need to be competitive price wise, I'd suggest it is not always the only issue. Good service also matters here, which is why people will often be prepared to pay a small premium to buy somewhere that they get good technical advice and service rather than online.

Other products, such as CDs/DVDs/books etc are probably very price sensitive on the whole, as people simply want the lowest price. Spending £1k on a camera, you probably want to talk the purchase over with someone who knows the product. Spending a £10 on a DVD, you don't.

HMV suffered due to being unable to compete on price, even if the price difference was small.

Jessops suffered by trying to get customers in store with competitive prices for their cameras, then fleece them by charging way over the odds for accessories, such as the £40 they wanted to charge me for the memory card I bought online for £11 when I'd just spent £400+ on a camera from them.

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#50 Dave T

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:51 PM

What about those without access to the internet? There must be millions of people who have never, and will never shop on-line.

There will always be alternatives, and I partly expect that with the demise of HMV, we will see more successful independents as they can perhaps get better terms themselves.

It's not only the internet which is competing with the likes of HMV, as has been suggested, supermarkets are a major competitor.

#51 markleeds

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:22 PM

Expect another Primark or TK Maxx where HMV used to be in Leeds then.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:26 PM

We may all end up with a high street like mine, almost totally made up of establishments offering the multitudinous delights of payday loans, crispy fried gristle, bookies, pound shops and a lot of former independent family-run shops (with now-permanently closed shutters).

Do you live in Sintellins then?

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:40 PM

As generations pass, that part of the population will almost certainly drop to a very small number. There'll always be some, for whatever reason, but there won't be enough for any business to see them as a significant factor.

Not necessarily.

There are some things that are bucking the technology trend. For example, calendars. Paper calendars are as popular as ever, in spite of the various electronic alternatives. Also, there hasn't been a massive change in the popularity of physical Christmas greeting cards. You'd think that by now both of these 'old fashioned' retail items would be dead and buried. Apparently not. On a slightly different point, there has been a steady though very small rise in the interest in vinyl records. Here in Sintellins, known for its pound shops, betting shops and general crud as one retailer after another closes down, there is a thriving little vinyl record store. Whodathunk it? My parents have just bought a brand new VHS player/recorder. Granted, it's integrated with a DVD player but there are still enough VHS tapes around for Panasonic to consider it worthwhile producing the VHS element to the player/recorder.

It may be as you suggest and over time most shopping will be done over the Internet. However, just as according to an article I read in the paper today it would appear that the number of UK Facebook users is now flatlining, so it may be that the number of Internet shoppers will also flatline at some point in the future. A third possibility is that at some point in the future Internet shopping may start to become unpopular when people realise that they are becoming disconnected with others by spending most of their lives in front of a monitor on their saddo selves in their bedrooms/living rooms when there is a wide world out there, a coffee to be had, some books to leaf through or some clothes to try on preferably in the company of some good friends.

Or maybe not, as the shops all may be gone by then!

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Edited by Saintslass, 15 January 2013 - 08:41 PM.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:19 PM

Facebook is flatlining because people are realsing that it is a fatuous waste of time. Physical media is dieing if not dead.Downloads will be next as things like spotify take over.There is no going back to vhs.Retro vinyl is a tiny market even though growing will still be tiny. The high street is dying. Some quaint places such as Totnes will still have lots of indies but as fuel prices and car park costs continue to rise, so will on line shopping. Welcome to the 21st C. Just imagine the 22nd C

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

Facebook is flatlining because people are realsing that it is a fatuous waste of time. Physical media is dieing if not dead.Downloads will be next as things like spotify take over.There is no going back to vhs.Retro vinyl is a tiny market even though growing will still be tiny. The high street is dying. Some quaint places such as Totnes will still have lots of indies but as fuel prices and car park costs continue to rise, so will on line shopping. Welcome to the 21st C. Just imagine the 22nd C


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#56 JohnM

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:02 PM

In which category am I? :-)


#57 Saintslass

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:29 PM

Facebook is flatlining because short of signing up ancestors and foetuses there's not much way it can do anything else.

52 million use Facebook in the UK apparently; one million fewer than the biggest user, the US. What's our population now? 67 million? That's a fair few foetuses!

The UK Facebook user number will include me because I'm registered. But I only ever go on there to read the Saints page. That's it. I wonder if there are many like me who don't actually use it at all but simply view it as just another webpage really.

Edited by Saintslass, 15 January 2013 - 10:30 PM.


#58 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:59 PM

Facebook maybe flat lining but one of the reasons Morrisons gave for a bad Christmas period for them was a there online presence (or lack of it).

Why actually spend an hour in Tesco's when it can be delivered to your door at a time you request. (with added horsemeat...)

Edited by Bedford Roughyed, 15 January 2013 - 11:01 PM.

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#59 Johnoco

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:20 AM

IMO people will turn off online shopping as half of the time the stuff you receive is suspect (ie fruit that you wouldn't accept)
Unless there is a big raising of standards in that area anyway .

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#60 gingerjon

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:00 AM

In which category am I? :-)


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