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Algeria, Mali, Nigeria...time for the UN to show its strength?


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#41 Northern Sol

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 09:59 PM

So mostly Muslim then.

#42 Wolford6

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:06 PM

I've not said otherwise; just that the Sudanese victimised Christians and the African Union did little to stop it.

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#43 Northern Sol

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:29 PM

They did but Darfur isn't a good example of this.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:41 PM

And I merely ask the question as to what sort of strength they need to show. If it is military force you are thinking of, where will that come from? If it is some other sort of strength what do you have in mind, and how will the UN - an organisation made up of member states - deliver it?


to be honest, I have no idea. That's why I raised the question.

#45 Wolford6

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:32 AM

They did but Darfur isn't a good example of this.


Fair enough.

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#46 tonyXIII

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:36 PM

Who would flee to Darfur? Why would Sudanese forces drive anyone to an area whose status is already contested?

Even if anyone had, why would they stay there rather than return to the independent state of South Sudan?


Not saying it has happened in Sudan, or anywhere really, but it has been alleged (largely by Greek Cypriots, I think) that Turkey shipped a load of its people to Cyprus in order to shift the demographics so that any future settlement would be skewed in their favour. It was also alleged that these 'forced migrants' were largely unwanted in Turkey anyway. So that could be a possible reason to drive some people to a disputed area. It would mean that, if a settlement is ever reached, there would be a large Sudanese population there and Darfur would be ceded to Sudan rather than, say, South Sudan or Chad.

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#47 Northern Sol

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

Yes, I know that but the obvious point is that black South Sudanese Christians would make Darfur less pro-Sudan not more. It makes sense to ship your people into contested areas but makes none to force the people you are fighting there.

#48 gingerjon

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:09 AM

In terms of Mali, apparently the UK is about to show its strength there ...
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:38 PM

We can't, won't and must not get sucked into action - Iraq and Afghanistan come to mind.


Oops!
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:10 PM

Mali, apparently, was one of the 22 countries in which British forces had not previously been active.

Oh dear.
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#51 Wolford6

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

The number of Bulgarian and Romanian immigrants that arrive next year will focus the debate.

It's quite interesting (cynical?) of Cameron to start a charm offensive today in order to recruit more ethnic support for his party. This could drive more supporters away than are attracted.

In Bradford, there's already tension between young muslim men and young East European men ... both sets live in the poorer areas inside the ring road and both hang round on street corners. I've never seen anything kick off, but the odd taxi driver has made snide comments about the Eastern European groups.

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#52 gingerjon

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:15 PM

the odd taxi driver has made snide comments about the Eastern European groups.


Odd taxi drivers are liable to make odd comments.
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#53 JohnM

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:32 PM

Oops!


quite! and so it begins......still, there is always the UN. see http://www.bbc.co.uk...africa-21138107

#54 Wolford6

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:56 PM

Odd taxi drivers are liable to make odd comments.


http://www.jrf.org.u...adford-full.pdf

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#55 gingerjon

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

http://www.jrf.org.u...adford-full.pdf


The JRF is filled with nutters. Everyone knows that.

They make odd taxi drivers seem normal.
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#56 JohnM

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:13 PM

The JRF is filled with nutters. Everyone knows that.

They make odd taxi drivers seem normal.


Guardianistas! :rolleyes:

TBH we could bomb the f###k out of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Mali, Nigeria etc (not suggesting we should or would!!) killing millions of innocents along with some militants and we still would not succeed in eradicating militant Islamism. - Its no threat to someone prepared for or seeking martyrdom.

So what do we do? build a high wall round the UK? Learn to live with a few incidents like the recent Algerian hostage situation? Move Israel to somewhere else?

#57 WearyRhino

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:23 PM

The JRF is filled with nutters. Everyone knows that.

They make odd taxi drivers seem normal.


:)

Edited by WearyRhino, 29 January 2013 - 05:27 PM.

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#58 Methven Hornet

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:36 PM

Guardianistas! :rolleyes:

TBH we could bomb the f###k out of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Mali, Nigeria etc (not suggesting we should or would!!) killing millions of innocents along with some militants and we still would not succeed in eradicating militant Islamism. - Its no threat to someone prepared for or seeking martyrdom.

So what do we do? build a high wall round the UK? Learn to live with a few incidents like the recent Algerian hostage situation? Move Israel to somewhere else?


To be honest I've always wondered about that. Some mid-western American desert would have done perfectly well.
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#59 gingerjon

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

:)


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#60 Northern Sol

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

Guardianistas! :rolleyes:

TBH we could bomb the f###k out of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Mali, Nigeria etc (not suggesting we should or would!!) killing millions of innocents along with some militants and we still would not succeed in eradicating militant Islamism. - Its no threat to someone prepared for or seeking martyrdom.

So what do we do? build a high wall round the UK? Learn to live with a few incidents like the recent Algerian hostage situation? Move Israel to somewhere else?


We should not tolerate Islamic extremism within the UK and groups that promote segregation should get no public funding. Islamic extremism will run its course if it is stood up to.




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