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[Wolford6]

Part of the problem the UK economy faces is the cost levied on industry by EU environmental legislation. Quite a bit of this is based on dubious theory and results in ludicrous practices.

£64 per tonne Landfill Tax is an absolute joke.

[Martyn Sadler]

Oh good god she's at it again.

And so are you, trying to shout down anyone who disagrees with you.

Try to be less of a bully!

And address the issues, not the individual poster!

[gingerjon]

And address the issues, not the individual poster!

Irony klaxon goes off.

[Just Browny]

I wouldn't. At least not our version of one anyway. When we got to the double dip stage the economy was still growing, just not as much as it had been. The pundits (BBC ones anyway) called it a 'technical' recession because of this. Any triple dip will be likewise as no doubt the economy will still be growing just not as much as people would like.

This is entirely false. The economy is still nowhere near regaining the size it was in 2007 - figures today show we're two years off in the best case.

Social rights aren't integral to a single market; a lack of trade barriers is, social rights isn't a trade barrier.

I didn't say anything about them being a trade barrier. They are a barrier to free movement though, and free movement is crucial for the single market to function.

[gingerjon]

figures today show we're two years off in the best case.

BBC figures invented by the BBC. Because they are leftists.

[Just Browny]

BBC figures invented by the BBC. Because they are leftists.

Even Gideon hasn't thought of, "the economy's not getting smaller, it's just not growing as fast as it's shrinking'. Yet.

[gingerjon]

Even Gideon hasn't thought of, "the economy's not getting smaller, it's just not growing as fast as it's shrinking'. Yet.

There is the phrase 'negative growth' which does the rounds.

[shrek]

I spent a couple of hours wondering around the Museum of Genicude Victims yesterday in Vilnius, its to easy to forget just how far we've come as a continent in a relativelty short space of time.

The story told in there alone is enough of a reason for me never to see a No vote as an option.

Things could be change/improved of course, but we should be tackling those from the inside not as outsiders looking in.

[Wolford6]

I spent a couple of hours wondering around the Museum of Genicude Victims yesterday in Vilnius, its to easy to forget just how far we've come as a continent in a relativelty short space of time.

The story told in there alone is enough of a reason for me never to see a No vote as an option.

Things could be change/improved of course, but we should be tackling those from the inside not as outsiders looking in.

Er, pardon me, but which country was it who committed most of the atrocities in Western Europe in the twentieth century? Surely we can't allow them to sit in the EU alongside us?

... Oh yes, that's right I remember now, Harold McMillan and Ted Heath each went down on his bended knee before Germany and our longest enemies France and begged them to let us join their rigged club. Of course we could, if they could have our oil at the same price as us, open access to our fisheries, and a financial arrangement where we paid more in than anyone else.

Yet another reason to never vote Tory.

[Methven Hornet]

I wouldn't. At least not our version of one anyway. When we got to the double dip stage the economy was still growing, just not as much as it had been. The pundits (BBC ones anyway) called it a 'technical' recession because of this. Any triple dip will be likewise as no doubt the economy will still be growing just not as much as people would like.

Sorry, I missed this bit (too busy laughing at the BBC comment).

When an economy is in recession, not only is it not growing, it is actually contracting/getting smaller/shrinking/re-adjusting to a lower level of activity.

And the term 'technical recession' has nothing to do with BBC pundits.

[Severus]

And so are you, trying to shout down anyone who disagrees with you.

Try to be less of a bully!

And address the issues, not the individual poster!

I'll ignore the bully comment.

I thought it was absolutely ridiculous to state that 'lefties' would welcome yet another dip into recession and to relish the thought of an economic struggle. I have to wonder where that opinion comes from. Of course those on the left (which I count myself as one) want the UK economy to prosper, irrespective of who is in government. Unfortunately the current government is doing all they can to prevent that and one party in the coalition have realised the mistakes they have made (cf. Clegg's comments).

Edited by Severus, 25 January 2013 - 02:57 PM.

[Severus]

Irony klaxon goes off.

My thought exactly.

[Wolford6]

Irony klaxon goes off.

My thought exactly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/northwest/series7/i/comedy_cissy.jpg

[Northern Sol]

I didn't say anything about them being a trade barrier. They are a barrier to free movement though, and free movement is crucial for the single market to function.

I didn't say you claimed that they were a trade barrier. I said that you don't seem to understand what is meant by a free market.

Social protection is never a barrier to free movement of people.

[Northern Sol]

Social rights are essential for a fair single market. They impact on fitness to work in terms of health, housing etc; on employment law and rights at work; training and skills development; pension rights; equalities legislation; free movement of labour; industrial regeneration etc etc etc

We did not talk about a "fair single market", we were discussing a "free market". None of the things above has anything to do with a free market except free movement of labour (and that has nothing to do with social protection).

They might have much to do with "fairness" depending how you define "fair" but I think it's safe to say that Cameron doesn't share your definition.

[CANETMAN]

Much emphasis is placed on dissent within the Tory party membership, but in my everyday conversations I find plenty of disappointment with the Labour performance from lifelong supporters.

David Cameron v Ed Miliband v Nick Clegg v Nigel Farage
=
Lord Snooty v Little Lord Fauntleroy v Walter from Denis the Menace v Jeremy Clarkson

If Farage can't take votes from that lot, this country has had it.

Nigel Farage is the ONLY person who speaks any sense in UK politics all the others CAMERON/CLEGG etc are a bunch of left wing champagne socialists and as for Ed Miliband we should bring back hanging )))CM

[Methven Hornet]

Nigel Farage is the ONLY person who speaks any sense in UK politics all the others CAMERON/CLEGG etc are a bunch of left wing champagne socialists and as for Ed Miliband we should bring back hanging )))CM

The ONLY sense Nigel Farage brings to UK politics is that he splits the reactionary vote. Sadly, that vote all too often makes its way back to the Tory party by the time of the general election.

[JohnM]

and correct too. BBC News and Current affairs in particular. There is a huge body of evidence and the BBC have admitted it.

[shrek]

EDIT - step away from the keyboard son you appear to be posting having had a drink!

Edited by shrek, 26 January 2013 - 07:59 AM.

[Severus]

and correct too. BBC News and Current affairs in particular. There is a huge body of evidence and the BBC have admitted it.

TRL bingo, John mentioning the BBC