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[Padge]

Your mate Padge was the one banging on about transport links.

I was on about transport links to nearby large population densities, York has good links to nowhere it is likely to get fans from.

[The Parksider]

I would hazard a guess that a top four team in the CC would see attendances rise to the 1500 to 2000 mark.

A top SL team would do much better. Whether or not it would ever be enough for a SL team to survive or not, no one will ever know unless it happens.

It happened at Widnes - 3,500 went on to become an SL loss making 6,000

It happened at leigh - 3,000 went on to become an SL loss making 4,800

It happened in cas - 5,000 went on to become an SL loss making 7,000

it happened at HKR - 3,500 went on to become an SL loss making 7,500

it happened at Workington 3.700 stagnated in SL and stayed at a loss making 3,700

It happened at Huddersfield 2,600 went on to be an SL loss making 7,800

it happened in Wakefield 2,500 went on to become an SL loss making 6.000

It happened at Salford 2,300 went on to become a loss making 5,800

It happened at Oldham 3,900 ended up at 3,600 in Superleague

It happened at Halifax 5,600 ended up at 2,900 in Superleague.

It would have happened at keighley, Dewsbury, Hunslet, and it is yet to happen at featherstone that none of them would have/will produce 10,000 self sustaining crowds.

What is it they say "statistics, statistics and the damn truth"

[The Parksider]

So that makes them i/6 as successful as Wigan on a quarter of the budget. Not too bad.

It doesn't make them successful at all as what you miss is that these lads don't come from Halifax RLFC they come from Halifax Junior ARL.

[The Parksider]

Sorry but I have to pull you up on this: in what way did Hetherington "bail out" of Sheffield???

I stand pulled up if the definition of "bailed out" condemns me.

In mitigation I meant that he did not see the project through, but then again I am assuming the project was to make the game successful and sustainable in Sheffield in the way it is in Leeds or Wigan or Hull.

I felt that Hetherington had seen the remoteness of places like London Kent and Cardiff as barriers to true expansion, but a club in Sheffield could build given it's closeness to the traditional areas.

I will say no more in case you pull me again and would ask how you felt it was??

[The Parksider]

Your mate Padge was the one banging on about transport links.

I quoted Trojan.

[Marauder]

For goodness sake.

Wigan have produced 25 of today's top professionals.

Halifax have produced four and three play at Huddersfield.

I'm lead to believe 5 Sharlston/Streethouse born players once played in the same Great Britain team (Not sure if it's true & I'm not going to look it up because it was before Super League so it never happened) forgot, can Donny claim the Grix bro's?

Edited by Marauder, 29 January 2013 - 09:43 PM.

[Marauder]

It happened at Widnes - 3,500 went on to become an SL loss making 6,000

It happened at leigh - 3,000 went on to become an SL loss making 4,800

It happened in cas - 5,000 went on to become an SL loss making 7,000

it happened at HKR - 3,500 went on to become an SL loss making 7,500

it happened at Workington 3.700 stagnated in SL and stayed at a loss making 3,700

It happened at Huddersfield 2,600 went on to be an SL loss making 7,800

it happened in Wakefield 2,500 went on to become an SL loss making 6.000

It happened at Salford 2,300 went on to become a loss making 5,800

It happened at Oldham 3,900 ended up at 3,600 in Superleague

It happened at Halifax 5,600 ended up at 2,900 in Superleague.

It would have happened at keighley, Dewsbury, Hunslet, and it is yet to happen at featherstone that none of them would have/will produce 10,000 self sustaining crowds.

What is it they say "statistics, statistics and the damn truth"

I'd like to live in a castle but I can only afford a 4 bed detached

[Pie tries]

This about sums up the bbc's interest and support for RL, instead of announcing the SL show will be shown national wide we get the seaon launched in our World Cup year with a half researched article. I like GR his articles are always worth a read and he's flown the flag high for our sport, but this is badly timed and certainly not in support of our sport.

[Marauder]

I stand pulled up if the definition of "bailed out" condemns me.

In mitigation I meant that he did not see the project through, but then again I am assuming the project was to make the game successful and sustainable in Sheffield in the way it is in Leeds or Wigan or Hull.

I felt that Hetherington had seen the remoteness of places like London Kent and Cardiff as barriers to true expansion, but a club in Sheffield could build given it's closeness to the traditional areas.

I will say no more in case you pull me again and would ask how you felt it was??

Gazzer Got offered a far better job at Leeds Rhinos with a good financial backer, he left The Eagles in a good position (Work was needed to be done) the RFL sh it on the Eagles by coupling them up with Huddersfield.

[South Wakefield Sharks]

As Mr. Drake says shock horror sells better than all in the garden is rosy. If Riley didn't act the stooge someone else would have got the gig.

He has to stand by that now though. General feedback is that it was a non story, timed to try and take the shine off the launch of the new rugby league story. View also seems to be that it was a particularly poor piece of journalism that told you nothing you didn't know beforehand.

Georgie took the shilling, so he's got to expect that his standing in RL and journalism circles will take a nosedive. Still he's young enough to choose a career he's more suited to.

[stewpot01]

Do you know that Wigan in the 2nd Division averaged arounf 4,000 and they are one of the giants of the game. Everything is relative to time and circumstance. Why is it not ccepted that London is not a RL city or manchester or Hudderfield. They were down to around a 1000 inDiv 2 at Fartown or Wakefield or Hull HR in the same division. York is a potential area for serious RL growth up to and including SL.

Keighley got their gates up to 4 to 5000 and the town is only a quarter the size of York.

I am not going to throw you any more fish because it's plain to me that you can neither accept sound reason or logic. The facts and figures do NOT lie, but no matter what anyone tells you it appears you hate to be wrong, which to me makes it totally unreasonable to be able to hold any kind of sensible debate with someone like you.

You cannot use Keighley as a comparison either - some of your sports fans support Burnley!!

Just get it through your head - York and Rugby League do not mix, never have and never will. There is no fairytale ending to this in which all the townsfolk fall asleep and are awoken by a magic fairy who has sprinkled them wth rugby dust making them all suddenly big fans.

Personally, I think you just like to argue with people, even when you are wrong.

Edited by stewpot01, 30 January 2013 - 01:08 AM.

[CANETMAN]

Sorry but I have to pull you up on this: in what way did Hetherington "bail out" of Sheffield??? He sold the club he had personally built up from absolutely nothing for a tidy sum; he didn't leave them broken and bankrupt like the club(s) to which he alludes (there is little doubt it is a dig aimed at the previous Bradford administration, for whom he proved their nemesis). He never let Sheffield become seriously burdened by debt despite having no rich backer. His departure from the Eagles led to the best of days and the worst of days but when he was in charge it was probably the tightest-run club in the sport, a trait he has carried over to Leeds.

So he has plenty of experience to talk about how clubs without access to deep pockets can sustain themselves; in fact his experience as a player, a coach, a Challenge-Cup winning club founder and as an administrator at the smallest of clubs and the largest are totally unique.

Sheffield were floated (Like Oldham) as a PLC and the shareholders lost everything (The ones who hung onto them that is) as the value of the shares collapsed to zero.CM

[Lounge Room Lizard]

For goodness sake.

Wigan have produced 25 of today's top professionals.

Halifax have produced four and three play at Huddersfield.

There is 4 not 3 at Huddersfield first team- Stuart Fielden, Joe Wardle, Luke Robinson, Jacob Fairbank. There another couple knocking around at other clubs like O´Brien at Bradford and then theres obviously Gareth Widdop at Melbourne.

[John Rhino]

Not according to Mark Aston, Karl Harrison and Daryll Powell who are all of the opinion that where the game is heading is not good. Harrison has said that he would have never made the grade as he was a late developer if todays system was in place in his day. And all 3 I have much respect for both as coaches and players.

I would never have gone to uni if today's educational system was in place then.
Someone will always miss out because of and whatever the system.
Its a meaningless argument.

[a.n Other]

There is 4 not 3 at Huddersfield first team- Stuart Fielden, Joe Wardle, Luke Robinson, Jacob Fairbank. There another couple knocking around at other clubs like O´Brien at Bradford and then theres obviously Gareth Widdop at Melbourne.

And the Grix brothers, Ben Kavanagh at Widnes.
But Parkies point still stands. The Wigan area does create more SL players than Halifax. They produce more SL players than any other area in the country including Leeds.

Edited by a.n Other, 30 January 2013 - 09:42 AM.

[roughyedspud]

can see this getting locked

[Dave T]

I would never have gone to uni if today's educational system was in place then.
Someone will always miss out because of and whatever the system.
Its a meaningless argument.

Yep - there is an issue too that if the game can't afford it, they can't afford it!

In a perfect world surely we'd have an U16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27's and so on so we never lose a single player?

[longboard]

There is 4 not 3 at Huddersfield first team- Stuart Fielden, Joe Wardle, Luke Robinson, Jacob Fairbank. There another couple knocking around at other clubs like O´Brien at Bradford and then theres obviously Gareth Widdop at Melbourne.

Wardle's brother, who has also played for Illingworth, is supposed to be a very good prospect.

Edited by longboard, 30 January 2013 - 10:21 AM.

[Gav Wilson]

Just get it through your head - York and Rugby League do not mix, never have and never will. There is no fairytale ending to this in which all the townsfolk fall asleep and are awoken by a magic fairy who has sprinkled them with rugby dust making them all suddenly big fans.

Never say never. If we can get the Rhinos and Tigers fans in the city to support the Knights we would be halfway there, funnily enough.

[stewpot01]

Never say never. If we can get the Rhinos and Tigers fans in the city to support the Knights we would be halfway there, funnily enough.

Highly unlikely.