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#1 marklaspalmas

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:30 AM

Just to check.....

In 1895 there were two NU teams in the city Manningham NU at Valley Parade and Bradford NU at Park Avenue.

Then in 1903 Manningham stopped playing rugby and switched to soccer and became Bradford City FC.

Then in 1907 Bradford stopped playing rugby and switched to soccer and became Bradford Park Avenue FC.

And some folk carried on with the rugby and called their club Bradford Northern, playing at Birch Lane then Odsal.

Right?

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:47 AM

Just to check.....

In 1895 there were two NU teams in the city Manningham NU at Valley Parade and Bradford NU at Park Avenue.

Then in 1903 Manningham stopped playing rugby and switched to soccer and became Bradford City FC.

Then in 1907 Bradford stopped playing rugby and switched to soccer and became Bradford Park Avenue FC.

And some folk carried on with the rugby and called their club Bradford Northern, playing at Birch Lane then Odsal.

Right?

That is correct, yes.

Just for clarity, the Manningham club just disappeared as a rugby club and the Bradford Northern (from Northern Union) was just the remainder of the Park Avenue club. More or less two thirds voted for soccer at the meeting in 1907. The rugby people kept all the rugby equipment, some of the committee and some of the players also stayed with the rugby side. Perhaps strangest is that some of the rugby players just changed to playing soccer for the Park Avenue club.

Edited by Bulliac, 30 January 2013 - 10:53 AM.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:59 AM

so what is the formation date of the present club ?
just to clear matters up of course ;)
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#4 Northern Sol

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

so what is the formation date of the present club ?
just to clear matters up of course ;)


2011. :D

#5 landy13

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:27 PM

2011. :D


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#6 Wolford6

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:29 PM

Why 2011?


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#7 marklaspalmas

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

That is correct, yes.

Just for clarity, the Manningham club just disappeared as a rugby club and the Bradford Northern (from Northern Union) was just the remainder of the Park Avenue club. More or less two thirds voted for soccer at the meeting in 1907. The rugby people kept all the rugby equipment, some of the committee and some of the players also stayed with the rugby side. Perhaps strangest is that some of the rugby players just changed to playing soccer for the Park Avenue club.


Ta.

Were there other Northern Union clubs who did likewise?

I always though Holbeck NU became Leeds City FC who begot Leeds United FC, but that was not the case apparently.

#8 gingerjon

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:56 PM

Ta.

Were there other Northern Union clubs who did likewise?

I always though Holbeck NU became Leeds City FC who begot Leeds United FC, but that was not the case apparently.


Wiki has it that Leeds City were dissolved in 1919 owing to be typical Leeds soccer people and dodgy ... they took over Elland Road "following the demise of Holbeck Rugby Club" in 1904.

Leeds United, legally at least, had no connection with Leeds City.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:07 PM

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#10 marklaspalmas

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:10 PM

Wiki has it that Leeds City were dissolved in 1919 owing to be typical Leeds soccer people and dodgy ... they took over Elland Road "following the demise of Holbeck Rugby Club" in 1904.

Leeds United, legally at least, had no connection with Leeds City.


Yeah. Leeds City certainly inherited Elland Road when the rugby club went bust/just packed in, but there was no connection with Holbeck in terms of personnel it seems.

Years later Leeds City had all their players auctioned off by the FA, but Leeds United obviously stepped into the void pretty quickly, so perhaps.......same rogues, different name?

#11 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:13 PM

That is correct, yes.

Just for clarity, the Manningham club just disappeared as a rugby club and the Bradford Northern (from Northern Union) was just the remainder of the Park Avenue club. More or less two thirds voted for soccer at the meeting in 1907. The rugby people kept all the rugby equipment, some of the committee and some of the players also stayed with the rugby side. Perhaps strangest is that some of the rugby players just changed to playing soccer for the Park Avenue club.


Which suggests a clear unbroken line since 1863, in the same way that we can rightly claim rugby heritage before 1895 (interestingly that vote was also about 2 to 1 although the anti-broken time RFU allowed all Oxbridge colleges to vote

#12 gingerjon

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:15 PM

so perhaps.......same rogues, different name?


This, too, is a Leeds soccer tradition ...
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:21 PM

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:59 PM

I remember that when Northern went bust in 1963, they came back as a new company Bradford Northern ( 1964 ) Ltd but I am happy to have the lineage date back to the 1860's.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

Yeah. Leeds City certainly inherited Elland Road when the rugby club went bust/just packed in, but there was no connection with Holbeck in terms of personnel it seems.

Years later Leeds City had all their players auctioned off by the FA, but Leeds United obviously stepped into the void pretty quickly, so perhaps.......same rogues, different name?


The Leeds City types were involved with a Hunslet soccer club who were turfed off Parkside to make way for Hunslet's reserves. Something lik ethat anyway. This'll tell you http://prism.talis.c...y=green%2C+mike
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:40 PM

Wiki has it that Leeds City were dissolved in 1919 owing to be typical Leeds soccer people and dodgy ... they took over Elland Road "following the demise of Holbeck Rugby Club" in 1904.

Leeds United, legally at least, had no connection with Leeds City.

Its also said to be the reason the club with 4 munich clocks are called ####.Leeds city were developing quite a good side prior to wwI.Yes they did do payments to guest players just like other clubs did and mainly man utd,but to protect the players who guested leeds refused to open their books Charlie Buchan was one of them .All clubs were guilty ,but the most guilty club got away with it again.####
but you and I weve been through that and this is not our fate.
So let us so let us not talk falsely now.
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#17 Bulliac

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:13 PM

I remember that when Northern went bust in 1963, they came back as a new company Bradford Northern ( 1964 ) Ltd but I am happy to have the lineage date back to the 1860's.

What there is, is a direct line of people back to 1863. Players have come and gone, the ground has been changed and companies have gone bust but the line of people, either as players, administrators or fans is intact and the history of the game in the city is traceable.
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#18 southstand loiner

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:28 PM

What there is, is a direct line of people back to 1863. Players have come and gone, the ground has been changed and companies have gone bust but the line of people, either as players, administrators or fans is intact and the history of the game in the city is traceable.


in that case leeds can trace there routes at least as far back by including the likes of kirkstall and leeds athletic . but of course as an actual club that would be no more the case than it would be for bradford
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#19 keighley

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:32 PM

What there is, is a direct line of people back to 1863. Players have come and gone, the ground has been changed and companies have gone bust but the line of people, either as players, administrators or fans is intact and the history of the game in the city is traceable.


Yes, I very much suscribe to that train of thought. I was just replying to the question if the present club was the same company that was formed when they broke away from Bradford FC.

#20 marklaspalmas

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:41 PM

Just for clarification (to Bradford fans), mine was a genuine question and not a conduit into allowing fans of other clubs to reignite that tedious debate about how-old-is-your-club. Much less was the intention to see some dreary LUFC/MUFC nonsense.

Did any other NU club defect to soccer?




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