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[Lobbygobbler]

Update

Round 3 2012 - 14 points per game
Round 3 2013 - 18.57 points per game

Round 4 2012 - 19.71 points per game
Round 4 2013 - 12.67 points per game

Overall so far 2012 - 18.08 (26 games)
Overall so far 2013 - 18.30 (27 games)

So this "widening" gap is now a massive 0.22 points per game after round 4.

I dont care about last year! You introduced this comparison. As far as I am concerned the margins have been too wide for years. It was shown by other people in other threads that average score margins were much lower under the 5m rule and real scrums. So effectively we've tinkered with the rules and made games lessclose despite now being fully pro. This is not progressive. We need to look at ways to make closer games.

RL matches should ideally be closer for a fan

[Maximus Decimus]

I dont care about last year! You introduced this comparison. As far as I am concerned the margins have been too wide for years. It was shown by other people in other threads that average score margins were much lower under the 5m rule and real scrums. So effectively we've tinkered with the rules and made games lessclose despite now being fully pro. This is not progressive. We need to look at ways to make closer games.

RL matches should ideally be closer for a fan

Not you didn't, you're just lying now and trying to backtrack your way out of it by focussing it on a wider point.

Read my previous point, you talked specifically about a worrying, widening gap after 2 games of the season.

[Just Browny]

Classic Lobby: states something as fact, is presented with facts that contradict his argument and then claims he doesn't care about facts.

[Lobbygobbler]

Classic Lobby: states something as fact, is presented with facts that contradict his argument and then claims he doesn't care about facts.

Facts? Maximus's comparison still shows a small widening does it not. Over a ten year cumulative spell that would be significant.

My guess is that the average SL score margin will be larger this year anyhow and we'll see more blowouts

[Gav Wilson]

Facts? Maximus's comparison still shows a small widening does it not. Over a ten year cumulative spell that would be significant.

My guess is that the average SL score margin will be larger this year anyhow and we'll see more blowouts

I really hope someone has the time to compare with scores from 2003 then, I suspect it wouldn't be that significant.

[Maximus Decimus]

Facts? Maximus's comparison still shows a small widening does it not. Over a ten year cumulative spell that would be significant.

My guess is that the average SL score margin will be larger this year anyhow and we'll see more blowouts

It's incredible how you can contradict yourself.

One minute you're trying to make out that you never said scorelines were increasing even though you did, the next you are arguing about how scorelines are increasing again.

0.22 over 4 rounds of Super League does not represent a widening. It might not only be 2 games like your last sample but it isn't nearly enough. It in fact represents a total of less than 6 points, or 1 converted try overall. Can you not see that it has lowered week by week?

In fact it is over 27 games where there were only 26 games by this stage last year. If we calculate it based on the last 26 games of SL, the average is in fact 17.85 and 0.23 lower.

Come back when you actually have a point, not something based on a 2 game whim that you wrongly thought backed up your own ill-conceived theories.

[Lobbygobbler]

I really hope someone has the time to compare with scores from 2003 then, I suspect it wouldn't be that significant.

Maybe not but they are if you go back to 1983 - our sport should have closer games than in 1983 really because what fans want is closer games as well as to be entertained. I would argue that the former dominates the latter

[Gav Wilson]

Maybe not but they are if you go back to 1983 - our sport should have closer games than in 1983 really because what fans want is closer games as well as to be entertained. I would argue that the former dominates the latter

You said 10 years in your post, not 30.

[Lobbygobbler]

You said 10 years in your post, not 30.

Where did I say to go back 10 years? All I said was that small increases from now on over 10 years = bigger increase

[Gav Wilson]

Where did I say to go back 10 years? All I said was that small increases from now on over 10 years = bigger increase

But we can't go back to 2003...? What kind of weird logic is this?

[gingerjon]

No - that is why it is shyte (regarding point 1and point 3). I really dont enjoy watching NRL, and never watched it before I finally got shut of premier sports last year

But it's a lot closer and that's all the fans want.

[JohnM]

10 years? Pah! 30 yeard? Double pah! 50 years ago Swinton put 100 points past Salford in just 2 gsmes.

[JohnM]

But it's a lot closer and that's all the fans want.

But how does Lobby know that is what the fans want or, rather, that it is ALL the fans want?

Edited by JohnM, 27 February 2013 - 08:27 AM.

[hindle xiii]

Is there much footage of ye olde games? It doesn't have to be a classic, and preferably not just "highlights". I've seen a bit or two of famous GB wins over Australia, and the game seems a bit messier than now.

[Ant]

But it's a lot closer and that's all the fans want.

What fans?

[Gav Wilson]

When did Wigan stick 100+ points on Flimby & Fothergill?

[gingerjon]

What fans?

The fans in lobbyland.

It's all about close scores.

[Ant]

Was 1983 the last time Leigh were any good by any chance?

[gingerjon]

Was 1983 the last time Leigh were any good by any chance?

It was when Lobby first watched the game and therefore it is how the game always was and how it always shall be.

[Lobbygobbler]

Is there much footage of ye olde games? It doesn't have to be a classic, and preferably not just "highlights". I've seen a bit or two of famous GB wins over Australia, and the game seems a bit messier than now.

RL was undeniably a little slower and scruffier back then, but I personally preferred it because the scores were much closer on average. Depends if you want cleaner but less close (on average) games.