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Worrying SL score margins


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#141 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:41 PM

Update

Round 3 2012 - 14 points per game
Round 3 2013 - 18.57 points per game

Round 4 2012 - 19.71 points per game
Round 4 2013 - 12.67 points per game

Overall so far 2012 - 18.08 (26 games)
Overall so far 2013 - 18.30 (27 games)

So this "widening" gap is now a massive 0.22 points per game after round 4.


I dont care about last year! You introduced this comparison. As far as I am concerned the margins have been too wide for years. It was shown by other people in other threads that average score margins were much lower under the 5m rule and real scrums. So effectively we've tinkered with the rules and made games lessclose despite now being fully pro. This is not progressive. We need to look at ways to make closer games.

RL matches should ideally be closer for a fan

#142 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:55 PM

I dont care about last year! You introduced this comparison. As far as I am concerned the margins have been too wide for years. It was shown by other people in other threads that average score margins were much lower under the 5m rule and real scrums. So effectively we've tinkered with the rules and made games lessclose despite now being fully pro. This is not progressive. We need to look at ways to make closer games.

RL matches should ideally be closer for a fan


Not you didn't, you're just lying now and trying to backtrack your way out of it by focussing it on a wider point.

Read my previous point, you talked specifically about a worrying, widening gap after 2 games of the season.

#143 Just Browny

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:28 PM

Classic Lobby: states something as fact, is presented with facts that contradict his argument and then claims he doesn't care about facts.

I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.


#144 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:34 PM

Classic Lobby: states something as fact, is presented with facts that contradict his argument and then claims he doesn't care about facts.


Facts? Maximus's comparison still shows a small widening does it not. Over a ten year cumulative spell that would be significant.

My guess is that the average SL score margin will be larger this year anyhow and we'll see more blowouts




#145 Gav Wilson

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:42 PM

Facts? Maximus's comparison still shows a small widening does it not. Over a ten year cumulative spell that would be significant.

My guess is that the average SL score margin will be larger this year anyhow and we'll see more blowouts


I really hope someone has the time to compare with scores from 2003 then, I suspect it wouldn't be that significant.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:21 PM

Facts? Maximus's comparison still shows a small widening does it not. Over a ten year cumulative spell that would be significant.

My guess is that the average SL score margin will be larger this year anyhow and we'll see more blowouts


It's incredible how you can contradict yourself.

One minute you're trying to make out that you never said scorelines were increasing even though you did, the next you are arguing about how scorelines are increasing again.

0.22 over 4 rounds of Super League does not represent a widening. It might not only be 2 games like your last sample but it isn't nearly enough. It in fact represents a total of less than 6 points, or 1 converted try overall. Can you not see that it has lowered week by week?

In fact it is over 27 games where there were only 26 games by this stage last year. If we calculate it based on the last 26 games of SL, the average is in fact 17.85 and 0.23 lower.

Come back when you actually have a point, not something based on a 2 game whim that you wrongly thought backed up your own ill-conceived theories.

#147 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:57 PM

I really hope someone has the time to compare with scores from 2003 then, I suspect it wouldn't be that significant.


Maybe not but they are if you go back to 1983 - our sport should have closer games than in 1983 really because what fans want is closer games as well as to be entertained. I would argue that the former dominates the latter

#148 Gav Wilson

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:57 PM

Maybe not but they are if you go back to 1983 - our sport should have closer games than in 1983 really because what fans want is closer games as well as to be entertained. I would argue that the former dominates the latter


You said 10 years in your post, not 30.
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#149 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:04 PM

You said 10 years in your post, not 30.


Where did I say to go back 10 years? All I said was that small increases from now on over 10 years = bigger increase

#150 Gav Wilson

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:14 PM

Where did I say to go back 10 years? All I said was that small increases from now on over 10 years = bigger increase


But we can't go back to 2003...? What kind of weird logic is this?
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#151 gingerjon

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:20 AM

No - that is why it is #### (regarding point 1and point 3). I really dont enjoy watching NRL, and never watched it before I finally got shut of premier sports last year


But it's a lot closer and that's all the fans want.
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#152 JohnM

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:21 AM

10 years? Pah! 30 yeard? Double pah! 50 years ago Swinton put 100 points past Salford in just 2 gsmes.

#153 JohnM

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:25 AM

But it's a lot closer and that's all the fans want.


But how does Lobby know that is what the fans want or, rather, that it is ALL the fans want?

Edited by JohnM, 27 February 2013 - 08:27 AM.


#154 hindle xiii

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:34 AM

Is there much footage of ye olde games? It doesn't have to be a classic, and preferably not just "highlights". I've seen a bit or two of famous GB wins over Australia, and the game seems a bit messier than now.

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On Odsal Top baht 'at.


#155 Ant

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:08 AM

But it's a lot closer and that's all the fans want.


What fans?

#156 Gav Wilson

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:51 AM

When did Wigan stick 100+ points on Flimby & Fothergill?
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#157 gingerjon

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:24 AM

What fans?


The fans in lobbyland.

It's all about close scores.
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#158 Ant

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:26 AM

Was 1983 the last time Leigh were any good by any chance?

#159 gingerjon

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:34 AM

Was 1983 the last time Leigh were any good by any chance?


It was when Lobby first watched the game and therefore it is how the game always was and how it always shall be.
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#160 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:49 PM

Is there much footage of ye olde games? It doesn't have to be a classic, and preferably not just "highlights". I've seen a bit or two of famous GB wins over Australia, and the game seems a bit messier than now.


RL was undeniably a little slower and scruffier back then, but I personally preferred it because the scores were much closer on average. Depends if you want cleaner but less close (on average) games.




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