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A question re. the new knock on rule


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#1 Leaguesaint

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 06:09 PM

Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Is there anything to stop the team receiving the ball after the knock on just kicking the ball down field and chasing after it. There's no risk as they'll get the ball back if it fails, and if they're quick enough to get to it first they should score a try.

#2 Griff

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:39 PM

No - but would that be the smartest move ? The defence must be favourites to get there first. Why not settle for a few risky passes ? If they come off you might be starting your set in the opposition half of the field, zero tackle. If they don't, you've got your scrum.

And it's an advantage rule - not just for knocks on. ;)
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#3 Blind side johnny

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:51 PM

Just to add to this, what is to stop a team in possession on their fifth tackle deliberately knocking on then quickly gang tackling the receiving player 20m (say) further down the field, thus gaining an additional advantage?
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#4 Harrigan

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:33 PM

Just to add to this, what is to stop a team in possession on their fifth tackle deliberately knocking on then quickly gang tackling the receiving player 20m (say) further down the field, thus gaining an additional advantage?


Because the scrum would be formed where the knock on occurred as no advantage would be gained.

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#5 Dave T

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:58 AM

Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Is there anything to stop the team receiving the ball after the knock on just kicking the ball down field and chasing after it. There's no risk as they'll get the ball back if it fails, and if they're quick enough to get to it first they should score a try.

i expect to see that play a few times this year - i'd be very surprised if Lee Briers didnt try it.
Its a good option I think and as you say, completely risk free.

#6 Dave T

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:00 AM

And it's an advantage rule - not just for knocks on. ;)

what else could it be for?

#7 callig

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:06 AM

i expect to see that play a few times this year - i'd be very surprised if Lee Briers didnt try it.
Its a good option I think and as you say, completely risk free.


Sheffield attempted it on Thursday night. Fax knocked on about 10 or 15 metres out and the Sheffield player hacked at the ball knowing it was a free play. Pretty sure he would have scored if it had not gone straight into a Fax players arms given they were so close to the line and he was the only one switched on to it.

#8 Blind side johnny

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:07 AM

Because the scrum would be formed where the knock on occurred as no advantage would be gained.


As I read it the new rule no longer refers to such an advantage, hence my question. If I'm incorrect would you please point me in the right direction?
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#9 Griff

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:23 AM

As I read it the new rule no longer refers to such an advantage, hence my question. If I'm incorrect would you please point me in the right direction?


You've read it wrong, BSJ. Scrums aren't abolished for knocks on. We still go back to them if there's no advantage.

Or - indeed - a penalty for a deliberate knock on.

And, anyway, I'm not sure how much of an advantage you'd get from that scenario. :mellow: It's like giving up on the big last play to either score or boot in downfield depending on where you are.
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#10 Widnesbernie

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:45 PM

Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Is there anything to stop the team receiving the ball after the knock on just kicking the ball down field and chasing after it. There's no risk as they'll get the ball back if it fails, and if they're quick enough to get to it first they should score a try.


Luke Dorn tried it today against widnes. Its a fee play. Dodgy bounce and you might get possession. If the defending team knock on you get a big advantage, else you get the ball back at the original position of the mistake anyway.