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[ckn]

As understood it the main definition would be the religious element, and this is up to the church/mosque/synagogue etc to decide whether they want to do it on behalf of the couple requesting it. How long until there is a legal challenge and a church (etc) is in the dock?

I think there'll be a challenge but it'll end up ruling the other way. Churches will get sued for discrimination but then the ECHR will eventually rule that an individual church has the right to refuse to refuse to marry someone because of incompatibility with the church's religious beliefs, mainly because a gay couple can shop around for marriages at a church anywhere that'll accept them. Regardless of what the Daily Mail rants about on the ECHR, they do come up with some fairly sensible opinions when forced to choose between two sets of freedoms

[gingerjon]

I went to a relations civil ceremony last year

Does this mean there wont be any more civil ceremonies now as two same gender people committing in a civil environment (eg registry office/hotel etc) will now be called a marriage?

As understood it the main definition would be the religious element, and this is up to the church/mosque/synagogue etc to decide whether they want to do it on behalf of the couple requesting it. How long until there is a legal challenge and a church (etc) is in the dock?

I don't know. They claim that the act is written in such a way that there can be no challenge. Just as I could never rock up at a mosque and demand that they let me get married there. Similarly whilst my dad was a vicar he blocked several weddings that were to take place in his churches because the people were not sufficiently committed and/or Christianish.

I'm not aware of any successful legal challenge from straight couples who've been blocked from getting married where they want on religious grounds. I'd be genuinely interested in knowing if there have been any.

[Johnoco]

Twitter isn't representative of the wider world I know but the biggest cheerleaders that I've seen on there were yer-actual-homos. And Stonewall, which obviously represents all manner of deviants.

Stonewall is not representative of all gays. You know, the unfamous ones not all over twitter, just the regular guys and girls living their life in boring suburbia, who just happen to be gay and don't need a rep to tell them they are ok.

[longboard]

I'm not aware of any successful legal challenge from straight couples who've been blocked from getting married where they want on religious grounds. I'd be genuinely interested in knowing if there have been any.

How would that be covered by the equalities legislation?

[gazza77]

Craig Whittaker believes in the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman.

His first and second wife also believe in this.

I've no political allegience at all, and I've never met him. He does however always come across as a prat whenever I've seen him interviewed.

[gingerjon]

Stonewall is not representative of all gays. You know, the unfamous ones not all over twitter, just the regular guys and girls living their life in boring suburbia, who just happen to be gay and don't need a rep to tell them they are ok.

And they can now get on with their lives in the same fuss-free way.

It's regular 'guys and guys and girls and girls' though. That's what marks them out.

[Wolford6]

whilst my dad was a vicar he blocked several weddings that were to take place in his churches because the people were not sufficiently committed and/or Christianish.

If only he'd been at St Johns in Bradford in 1974.

[gingerjon]

How would that be covered by the equalities legislation?

I think ckn might have covered it above. Like I say, I don't know.

Religious rights are often protected though, especially in religious settings. As opposed to B&Bs.

[gingerjon]

If only he'd been at St Johns in Bradford in 1974.

If you'd stayed in Wales he could have seen you right.

Cwmbran around then, I think.

[hindle xiii]

whilst my dad was a vicar he blocked several weddings that were to take place in his churches because the people were not sufficiently committed and/or Christianish.

Slightly off-topic but in order to get her son christened my cousin has been told to clock up a few hours at the church.

[Johnoco]

Face it, most people, gay or otherwise don't go to church. So who gives a monkeys if you can't get married in one?
Unless you need to be seen to be doing the right thing. A close friend of mine who is both gay and a vegetarian said to me 'it strikes me like veggies demanding the right to eat meat...ie pointless'

[Johnoco]

Slightly off-topic but in order to get her son christened my cousin has been told to clock up a few hours at the church.

Same here and I said thanks but no thanks. As a result none of my kids have ever been christened. And with my family that caused some grief.

[Wolford6]

If you'd stayed in Wales he could have seen you right.

Cwmbran around then, I think.

Did he have his own shotgun, or did the happy couple generally fetch their own?

[longboard]

Slightly off topic, but this snippet from history sprang to mind:-

The Earl of Arran whose Private Peer's Bill was enacted to make homosexuality legal in Great Britain (Northern Ireland had to wait much longer) later introduced a bill to protect badgers.

He complained to a friend that he had a full turn out in the Lords to debate his 'buggers' bill but an empty house for the badgers' bill.

His friend replied,'That's because there are no badgers in the House of Lords.'

[gingerjon]

Slightly off-topic but in order to get her son christened my cousin has been told to clock up a few hours at the church.

I'd advise them to get Angry Birds on silent on their phone.

[Wolford6]

What about Lord Brocket?

[hindle xiii]

I'd advise them to get Angry Birds on silent on their phone.

passed me by that one.

[gazza77]

Slightly off-topic but in order to get her son christened my cousin has been told to clock up a few hours at the church.

If she doesn't already go to church, why the desire to get her son christened? I've sat through plenty of christenings over the years, and I've yet to get a logical explanation as to why non religious adults feel the need to have their child become a "member of the church", when they'll probably never set foot in one again.

[hindle xiii]

If she doesn't already go to church, why the desire to get her son christened? I've sat through plenty of christenings over the years, and I've yet to get a logical explanation as to why non religious adults feel the need to have their child become a "member of the church", when they'll probably never set foot in one again.

No idea. I'm just praying it doesn't clash with a Bulls game!

[gazza77]

No idea. I'm just praying it doesn't clash with a Bulls game!

When I got married, I was under strict instructions with my father in law to be that I had to make sure the wedding didn't clash with a Burnley home game. I managed that, then missed Fev in the GF (2010) as I was in Heathrow, about to catch a plane to South Africa on honeymoon. Still, given their record prior to then, why would I have given that prospect a 2nd thought when planning it all?