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[Shadow]

What happened before if an ostensibly heterosexual couple wanted to marry and one of them was transgenderised? Did the surgically-modified partner have to prove they were a bodily-functional man or woman?

Yes, because that was happening all the time

[Wolford6]

Yes, because that was happening all the time

I can believe it, down where you live.

[gingerjon]

Yes, because that was happening all the time

He keeps asking these strange questions 'for a friend'. If it's not wanting to know if he can now show his face in public without fearing of prosecution for a 'civil offence' it's wanting to know if he can marry his ladyboy with no questions asked ...

[Wolford6]

He keeps asking these strange questions 'for a friend'.

Rubbish. I haven't got any left since they found out I was in contact with Southerners and God-Botherers.

[Wolford6]

Mind you, who knows what i might be reduced to in the future?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2274410/Scunthorpe-voted-romantic-place-UK.html

[JohnM]

nooooooooooooooooo! not Shorpe!

Edited by JohnM, 06 February 2013 - 04:05 PM.

[longboard]

What happened before if an ostensibly heterosexual couple wanted to marry and one of them was transgenderised? Did the surgically-modified partner have to prove they were a bodily-functional man or woman?

If they choose the invitations and flowers they are classed as a woman for this purpose.

[Marauder]

I agree with Sev on this. This is a great result. In addition to addressing the main issue, if it drives the small-minded homophobic, xenophobic, Europhobic rabid right into the oblivion that is UKIP, so much the better for all of us come election time. By this one single action, Cameron has significantly boosted his re-election chances.

Milliband never voted against it either so has it boosted his election chances ?

[JohnM]

I see your point but no. He hasn't got any. The Tories without the rabid right have more centrist appeal. Not in Donny of course.

[Steve May]

My local MP voted against, however in her defence on her website and twitter account she maintains that the overwhelming majority of contact from constituents on the matter was against. Her figures are over 500 to 33, so I suppose she was reflecting the will of her constituents.
Democracy or some such nonsense.

MPs are not elected to reflect the will of their constituents. They are representatives, not delegates.

[gazza77]

MPs are not elected to reflect the will of their constituents. They are representatives, not delegates.

True. They're unlikely to have a long career if they consistently go against the wishes of their constituents however.

[WearyRhino]

True. They're unlikely to have a long career if they consistently go against the wishes of their constituents however.

Actually, as many MPs are elected by fewer than 50% of their constituents they, arguably, go against the wishes of their wishes on a regular basis. Indeed, just turning up at the Commons and taking their seat is against the wishes of the largest part of their constituents.

[gazza77]

Actually, as many MPs are elected by fewer than 50% of their constituents they, arguably, go against the wishes of their wishes on a regular basis. Indeed, just turning up at the Commons and taking their seat is against the wishes of the largest part of their constituents.

Fair point. That kind of assumes however that those not voting are not doing so purely out of apathy, rather than to register a political viewpoint.

[Steve May]

Sarah Teather's revelation that she's a conservative Catholic at heart was a bit of a surprise.

I understand that, even as she voted against it, her constituency website was still proclaiming her support for the Bill.

You couldn't ask for a better example of Lib Dem thinking.

[gingerjon]

I understand that, even as she voted against it, her constituency website was still proclaiming her support for the Bill.

You couldn't ask for a better example of Lib Dem thinking.

She just ignored her constituents in line with the delegating duties you mentioned before.

[Shadow]

True. They're unlikely to have a long career if they consistently go against the wishes of their constituents however.

Yeah but I don't think that's likely to be the reason her career is curtailed.
She was involved in the first sleaze scandal of the Coalition and then after banging on ad nauseam about family values and how her husband was standing by her rebuilding the trust blah blah blah blah
That and she's bloody useless.

[gazza77]

Yeah but I don't think that's likely to be the reason her career is curtailed.
She was involved in the first sleaze scandal of the Coalition and then after banging on ad nauseam about family values and how her husband was standing by her rebuilding the trust blah blah blah blah
That and she's bloody useless.

Last bit is probably key My comment was a bit of a generalisation however, as I don't know the first thing about this particular mp.

[longboard]

Yeah but I don't think that's likely to be the reason her career is curtailed.
She was involved in the first sleaze scandal of the Coalition and then after banging on ad nauseam about family values and how her husband was standing by her rebuilding the trust blah blah blah blah
That and she's bloody useless.

Que?

[Wolford6]

Yeah but I don't think that's likely to be the reason her career is curtailed.
She was involved in the first sleaze scandal of the Coalition and then after banging on ad nauseam about family values and how her husband was standing by her rebuilding the trust blah blah blah blah
That and she's bloody useless.

To be fair, if a wife stands by a straying husband it's accepted as more "normal" than a husband standing by a straying wife. If the roles had been reversed, the press would have presented her as a martyr to the vagaries and stresses of pursuing a political career.

All sorts of different ground rules are adopted in individual stable relationships.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

To be fair, if a wife stands by a straying husband it's accepted as more "normal" than a husband standing by a straying wife.

really?