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#101 HKR AWAY DAYS

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:09 PM

Does anyone have a list of all dual reg players per club at all please?

#102 Les Tonks Sidestep

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:57 PM

Does anyone have a list of all dual reg players per club at all please?


Dewsbury - all of Bradford squad, less overseas players
Hunslet - all of Leeds squad, less overseas players
Keighley - all of Cas squad, less overseas players
.... etc etc

#103 manofthematch

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:24 AM

being a widnes fan i have experienced both sides of the argument, we were linked with wigan for DR and from that deal we discovered a superbly talented young half back in joe mellor, now we are the superleague club it's fantastic to watch young lads like declan hulme get the chance of genuinely competetive first team rugby which will aid their long term development.


Yes but Widnes have just released more than 20 local-born u18's players from their academy structure some who have gone to rugby union!? How can that be good for Widnes? How can that be good for the game? Some clubs have pride and work hard at their Academies and actually produce whilst others just want to tick a box. I think Widnes are of the latter knowing (or thinking) that they can pick up the scraps from Wigan's system. After all the talk of putting the 'Widnes' back into the club they have constantly released local players over the last few years and for me it's down to the inability of the youth coaching staff to develop them (either that or tha speak wi'rong thack-cent) ;) B) . Widnes took the bulk (ten players) of the Halton Hornets team that won NWC cups, then NWC leagues before progressing to National Cup titles (also the same group played in powergen finals for their school team) and their progress declined or at least that's the way it seems with two earning contracts and the rest cast aside. The three who went to Saints flourished under the stewardship of Mike Rush & co with two earning full-time contracts so far.

Edited by manofthematch, 14 February 2013 - 03:06 AM.


#104 audois

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:08 PM

That's a great answer. I'd agree with that.

There has to be some disappointment that with a whole region of RL to go at Catalans don't have more French stars.

But that's no different to several SL clubs who equally can't produce many home grown stars.

I'd really fear for Toulouse if they got in 2015. Will they? And how would they raise a competitive team?


With apologies to OP.

Will they? Depends on I think the influence Carlos Zalduendo has. Although he has relinguished the Presidency of the club to become the Federation President he has interestingly held on to control of the Table Ovalie. This organisation holds the key. Movers and shakers public and private in the city. Without them it cant happen. If you where looking for a place to take the game especially in these stringent times you could well do a lot worse than Toulouse.

Players. Well Catalans presently have around 20 French lads in the squad if you include the apprentices. Outside that players who have played in SL but playing in the local leagues you have:

Stacul
Khattabbi
Sadaoui
Griffi
Quintilla
Ancely
Berthezene
Touxagas
Bentley A
Bentley K
Gossard
Marginet
Guasch D
Gigot (Australia)
Seb Martins (Whitehaven)

Plus recent French international players.

Arnaud (Avignon)
Bemba (Carcassonne)
Soubeyras (Pia)
Moly (Pia)
Masselot (Toulouse)
Tisseyre (Lezignan)

I think there's something to work on there. Remember with limited resources most years the French Academy U18s are competitive against the English side selected from the whole of SL.
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#105 shaun mc

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:44 PM

Yes but Widnes have just released more than 20 local-born u18's players from their academy structure some who have gone to rugby union!? How can that be good for Widnes? How can that be good for the game? Some clubs have pride and work hard at their Academies and actually produce whilst others just want to tick a box. I think Widnes are of the latter knowing (or thinking) that they can pick up the scraps from Wigan's system. After all the talk of putting the 'Widnes' back into the club they have constantly released local players over the last few years and for me it's down to the inability of the youth coaching staff to develop them (either that or tha speak wi'rong thack-cent) ;) B) . Widnes took the bulk (ten players) of the Halton Hornets team that won NWC cups, then NWC leagues before progressing to National Cup titles (also the same group played in powergen finals for their school team) and their progress declined or at least that's the way it seems with two earning contracts and the rest cast aside. The three who went to Saints flourished under the stewardship of Mike Rush & co with two earning full-time contracts so far.


An example (but not a surprise whatsoever) of the decreasing player pool in RL and flawed player development pathways.
Of course some will not be good enough for either SL or Championship standard and may end up back at their amatuer club, but we've got to give as many players as possible the opportunity - haven't we?
There is no point going for around 250 elite academy players and hope that they develop sufficiently to move up the grades to A team then the SL team and maybe even the GB team.
So did Widnes just decimate the Halton Hornets junior team and it had to fold? In developing these player pathway we have also got to try and make sure its not just i) box-ticking and B) detrimental to particular amateur teams. Casting the net wider and having a greater base to the pyramid will help to do this. At the moment that base is shrinking.

#106 TheObserver

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:44 PM

Curious that posters think loan arrangements will kill off the ambitions of clubs and players. What do people think of the Australian second tier here?

NSW Cup
* 7 of 13 clubs (e.g. Newtown Jets, North Sydney Bears) act as feeder clubs for an NRL club of a different name.
* 5 were promoted from lower Grade RL - Wentworthville, Windsor, Mounties, Wyong Roos, Auckland Vulcans.
* Grand Final is played at the Olympic Stadium as a curtain raiser to NRL Grand Final, broadcast on FTA TV.

QLD Cup
* Broadcast on FTA TV on Sunday at 2pm.
* All 12 clubs act as feeder clubs to the 3 Queensland NRL clubs.

In Australia, the second tier gives emerging talent and experienced players a quality competition to develop into NRL players. Clubs like North Sydney Bears, Ipswich Jets and Central QLD have applied for NRL franchises while being based in the NSW/QLD Cup.

Allowing SL players to play in open-age, lower-tier competitions will increase the standards of play. However, where logistically practical, it might satisfy the aspirations of fans of Championship clubs if SL clubs formed loan arrangements more with Championship 1 clubs, rather than Championship clubs.


Unfortunately no posters have noted that loan arrangements in Australia have worked successfully for all parties.




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