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#41 gillmeister

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:55 PM

How did you feel as a barrow fan knowing dodgy des was investing beyond the rules to help you win a few seasons ago? Did you feel sorry for other clubs not able to do that.


Barrow are a great club but I cant recall them complaining when they got half a dozen Oldham players for well under there value, or when Wigan were lending them Lee Mossop, Ben Davies and Huddersfield Adam Walker. Truth is if you want to push for Superleague go it alone, everyone else will need the dual registration to compete
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#42 RSN

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:02 PM

Barrow are a great club but I cant recall them complaining when they got half a dozen Oldham players for well under there value, or when Wigan were lending them Lee Mossop, Ben Davies and Huddersfield Adam Walker. Truth is if you want to push for Superleague go it alone, everyone else will need the dual registration to compete


Very poor choice of dual reg players there though. Ben Davies, Adam Walker and Lee Mossop. Three players not quite good enough to play full time SL due to their age and need time to develop. So they were all sent to Barrow for a set time and they developed as players. If they got injured we didn't get a replacement, we didn't have full squads registered. They were sent to us for the sole purpose of developing young british talent. Those 3 props are now playing full time SL which shows the system worked.

How is that comparable to having Richard Moore playing and a full Leeds squad registered to Hunslet. One is clearly good for the game and the other isn't.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

Very poor choice of dual reg players there though. Ben Davies, Adam Walker and Lee Mossop. Three players not quite good enough to play full time SL due to their age and need time to develop. So they were all sent to Barrow for a set time and they developed as players. If they got injured we didn't get a replacement, we didn't have full squads registered. They were sent to us for the sole purpose of developing young british talent. Those 3 props are now playing full time SL which shows the system worked.

How is that comparable to having Richard Moore playing and a full Leeds squad registered to Hunslet. One is clearly good for the game and the other isn't.

Leeds have not registered the full squad,why do you keep perpetuating this myth?
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#44 Celtic Rooster

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:33 PM

As a supporter of North Wales crusaders I am really glad we did not go down the dual registration route, and there has never been a suggestion around the Crusaders camp that we would link up with Widnes. They can dress it up any way they like in Super Greed but the fact is They just want to pay all the money to the first team squad. No reserves any more. They call it youth development but BARLA clubs were already doing a brilliant job of that.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:46 PM

Barrow are a great club but I cant recall them complaining when they got half a dozen Oldham players for well under there value, or when Wigan were lending them Lee Mossop, Ben Davies and Huddersfield Adam Walker. Truth is if you want to push for Superleague go it alone, everyone else will need the dual registration to compete


Very poor choice of dual reg players there though. Ben Davies, Adam Walker and Lee Mossop. Three players not quite good enough to play full time SL due to their age and need time to develop. So they were all sent to Barrow for a set time and they developed as players. If they got injured we didn't get a replacement, we didn't have full squads registered. They were sent to us for the sole purpose of developing young british talent. Those 3 props are now playing full time SL which shows the system worked.

How is that comparable to having Richard Moore playing and a full Leeds squad registered to Hunslet. One is clearly good for the game and the other isn't.

#46 Gav Wilson

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:48 PM

Very poor choice of dual reg players there though. Ben Davies, Adam Walker and Lee Mossop. Three players not quite good enough to play full time SL due to their age and need time to develop. So they were all sent to Barrow for a set time and they developed as players. If they got injured we didn't get a replacement, we didn't have full squads registered. They were sent to us for the sole purpose of developing young british talent. Those 3 props are now playing full time SL which shows the system worked.


Sounds a lot like how York and Hull Are using the agreement... For now.

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#47 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:27 PM

Soccer is a very big national/world game, and you know as well as I do they have a rich man at the helm who can buy in top class international players and top players from around the country.

The difference for Doncaster RLFC is they don't have a rich man at the helm and even if they did top class players are in very short supply in this country and certainly unavailable from the continents Wigan Athletic can buy them from.

Rich man Mr. O'Connor at Widnes can't find the players he wants nor can Mr. Koukash.

It has to be faced that if most of the the biggest places where they play RL can't produce enough players for the local club then there's gonna be a big shortage everywhere else.

Hull's a massive city for amatuer RL yet HKR have had to go abroad to Australia for a team, now that avenue is drying up.

You maybe recall Donny getting 6,000 for an opener against Leeds in the old firts division , without the players and without the wins the crowds dropped by a third. This doesn't happen in soccer.

We have to face the realities of what RL is about and comparisons with soccer are just not relevant.

Shove Doncaster and York in SL and you'll see two clubs who will lose most of their games year on year and won't attract crowds, nor local kids to play as a result of that perennial failure, that's how RL works.

Asking me how soccer works is irrelevent.


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#48 JohnM

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:13 AM

F A C T!

(when did he confide in you.?)

His aim was to get Latics into the Premier League. Just as the aim at Fev is to get into SuperLeague without p and r. Just using the existing mechamism

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:50 AM

F A C T!

(when did he confide in you.?)

His aim was to get Latics into the Premier League. Just as the aim at Fev is to get into SuperLeague without p and r. Just using the existing mechamism


John - it isnt the same though. Far from it. With "promotion by right" a club and their fans know exactly what they have to do to go up - i.e. win most of your games. This makes each game crucial and interesting, and momentum is built. Also there are several spots up for grabs EACH YEAR.

With our ridiculous system, the actual games are irrelevant. No-one has a clue who the panel will pick (if anyone) and there is no momentum. It is by no means certain that Fev will go up as they may not be what the panel want. Afterall Widnes went up undeservedly as a mediocre second div club

#50 Ackroman

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 10:12 AM

Moving between divisions in RL is based entirely on the outcome of throwing arrows at a revolving dart board. The "systems and mechanisms" have no long-standing base. To try and predict what will happen with promotion to Super League is likely to be based on this method, and to try and predict what will happen is likely to leave a lot of egg on a lot of faces. Probably in Fev.

in Barrows case no-one could predict that DR would potentially have such a profound effect on their competitiveness in the Championship. No-one predicted that the revolving dart-board would highlight that access to SL playing rosta's could determine the order of merit in the Championship that would reflect the order of merit in SL.

Therefore we now have 3 types of club in the Championship.

Type 1 don't use DR and emulate SL clubs to potentially become SL clubs.
Type2 don't use DR but end up in Championship1 because they can't compete.
Type3 embrace DR and get filled with SL players.

The strategy is to use Type 3 to develop and keep fit SL players. The secondary effect is to hope Type 3 clubs win the competition to put Type 1 clubs in their place to keep Type 1 out of SL by not winning the competitions.

Bye Bye Barrow and well done Hunslet for winning the Championship in 2014 by which time the revolving dart-board for promotion will state that DR'd clubs can't be promoted.

#51 Jonty

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:49 PM

I don't like the dual reg system as it is at the moment, but to say that relegation will end the club is, quite frankly, ridiculous.

Barrow is probably one of the more robust Championship clubs and, despite the events of recent years and impact that has on the current shareholding, remains asset rich with more diverse income streams than most other clubs (strong lottery embedded in the community, stadium ownership etc.).

I like the fact that we're back to seeing a Barrow club that utilises the best of local talent, appears to live within it's means and has a positive relationship with the community game in Furness and surrounding districts.
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#52 The Parksider

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:32 PM

Well done Hunslet for winning the Championship in 2014 by which time the revolving dart-board for promotion will state that DR'd clubs can't be promoted.


Scaremonger.

Leigh 40 Hunslet 0. Get real.

#53 scrumhalf

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:02 PM

The majority of the fans didn't know what was happeniing behind the scenes, and by the time we found out what was happening the club was on its hands and knees on the brink of going under. Don't think that's a reason to feel sorry for other clubs.

If you read back over the forum you will see that many fans questioned the des regime but were shot down by others who preferred to soak up the glory of a winning team.

#54 dkw

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:20 PM

The majority of the fans didn't know what was happeniing behind the scenes, and by the time we found out what was happening the club was on its hands and knees on the brink of going under. Don't think that's a reason to feel sorry for other clubs.

Then the majority of your fans are either very gullible or amazingly good at turning a blind eye to the truth as everyone else knew exactly what was going on.




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