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#21 Trojan

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:48 PM

I watched France - Wales until half time then turned over to watch something about the abdication. I tried to watch Ireland - England today but it was hard going. Brian Moore was very complimentary about Andy Farrell - high spot of the game for me. There was a programme on earlier today about a guy having dininer with three different girls in Oz - Wests Tigers, Roosters and Rabittohs all got a mention. :)
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#22 eclecticsheep

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:56 PM

Trojan, It was VERY hard going!

Not often I say this though, the referee in the Scotland v Italy game was Outstanding...really gave the game a chance and the whistle a rest!

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:11 PM

Some people on here are so negative, you dont need millions upon millions of pounds to be consistent and stage internationals year on year? The problem is more one of consistency and long term vision.
Internationals have been played against lesser nations like france and wales most years but on a sporadic basis, all that needs to happen is structure it more and hold it at the same point in summer each year aswell as giving the lesser teams ways that they can develop.

Its not bundles of money that's needed its vision.

#24 The Daddy_merged

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:13 PM

Did the RFL need millions to stage Exiles, the Origin game or France, Wales games in previous years?

#25 The Daddy_merged

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:15 PM

We're not talking about staging the Superbowl here are we.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:17 PM

indeed. there were 50k empty seats at Wembley for the double header. Fill these and you could be talking another £1-3m for them to be spending on internationals.


An extra £1-3m would simply be split between the RFL, ARL and the NZRL.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:26 PM

Until the scores are in doubt the international game will suffer.


Bingo.

Doesn't matter about the attendances, the stadia, the players. International rugby league's problem is IT LACKS COMPETITION.

Moan at the Six Nations all you like, and yes Ireland v England was far from a classic, but many people would rather watch that then England putting 74 points past Wales.

The Six Nations has two smaller tiers: England, France, Ireland and Wales in one, Italy and Scotland in another, but even then the tiers have a smaller gulf then RL ones (hence Italy beating France).

Rugby League has a team for each tier!! Well apart from England v New Zealand which is one of the few truly competitive matches in International RL.

I say change the rules a bit: yes it might "lose credibility", it might confuse players a bit but heck at least it might give out reasonably competitive scores.

It will of course happen: eventually Wales and France should reach the England/NZ level and then International RL will really be able to compete on a "valid" stage, but Union just seem to be doing it faster with Italy and Argentina being 'elevated' in. And the more teams there are to start off with the easier it gets. I would say that Union now has around 10-14 "valid" teams (perhaps over two tiers but still). League still has 3.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:30 PM

And how many pro leagues does RU have compared to RL's two and a couple of semi pro leagues?

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:32 PM

Oh well we may as well accept a second rate international scene, as it doesn't look like its going to get any better.
I think I'm just getting tired of the view that clubs over internationals. Too many games in super league= watered down competition, not enough internationals.

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#30 Northern Sol

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:42 PM

And how many pro leagues does RU have compared to RL's two and a couple of semi pro leagues?


Do we have two semi-pro leagues?

France for sure but NZ is just a mess. They don't even have a national league. Does PNG have a semi-pro league?

#31 Northern Sol

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:43 PM

It will of course happen: eventually Wales and France should reach the England/NZ level and then International RL will really be able to compete on a "valid" stage, but Union just seem to be doing it faster with Italy and Argentina being 'elevated' in. And the more teams there are to start off with the easier it gets. I would say that Union now has around 10-14 "valid" teams (perhaps over two tiers but still). League still has 3.


If the likes of Georgia and Romania count as "valid" then France, Fiji, Tonga, Samoa and PNG also are.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:46 PM

Sadly, I think we've missed the boat. Ask anybody about international rugby and they'll think about union. We'll never compete with them on that stage so why worry?

Our product at club level is far superior and they know it. Let's just concentrate on pointing this out to the masses, continually win the TV ratings war and rub the unionites noses in it.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:53 PM

An extra £1-3m would simply be split between the RFL, ARL and the NZRL.

really? And not a penny would be spent on the internatiinal game?

#34 THE RED ROOSTER

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:56 PM

Where does the money come from?

Let me guess the Bank of RFL but surely that's already buying Broncos a new home in London, funding a Welsh super league team, building a national headquarters and stadium in London and fixing up Odsal.


And your proof for all that I have highlighted ?

No point having a faster game if the scores are predictable - and sadly they are at international level. We should have built on the 2000 world cup and played a six nations the year after. Ireland were a decent team and Wales had reached the SF.

Until the scores are in doubt the international game will suffer. We stupidly sped our game upwith the 10m rule and this widens the gap between teams


I do not normally agree with you on much but here you are spot on.

Bingo.

Doesn't matter about the attendances, the stadia, the players. International rugby league's problem is IT LACKS COMPETITION.

Moan at the Six Nations all you like, and yes Ireland v England was far from a classic, but many people would rather watch that then England putting 74 points past Wales.

The Six Nations has two smaller tiers: England, France, Ireland and Wales in one, Italy and Scotland in another, but even then the tiers have a smaller gulf then RL ones (hence Italy beating France).

Rugby League has a team for each tier!! Well apart from England v New Zealand which is one of the few truly competitive matches in International RL.

I say change the rules a bit: yes it might "lose credibility", it might confuse players a bit but heck at least it might give out reasonably competitive scores.

It will of course happen: eventually Wales and France should reach the England/NZ level and then International RL will really be able to compete on a "valid" stage, but Union just seem to be doing it faster with Italy and Argentina being 'elevated' in. And the more teams there are to start off with the easier it gets. I would say that Union now has around 10-14 "valid" teams (perhaps over two tiers but still). League still has 3.


A very sensible post but I have serious doubts that a game in full retreat to its heartlands is ever going to have a competive Welsh or French team Certainly if last years tri-nations tournament was anything to go by.

Like it or not Rugby League in the northern hemisphere is in crisis with the game already serving as a feeder league for the NRL or RFU. As I have posted before, within 5 years thev England RL coach will fly out to Australia where the majority of the squad will be. A bunch of NRL players will raise the standard of the England team no doubt but it will be because players reach their potential in the NRL not Super League.

Some posters on here need to wake up and smell the coffee, and I certainly don't know what the gamechanger will be to turn League's fortunes around but then a lot of posters and voices within the game are quite happy with the prospect of an M62 Small Town game even if it is a feeder league. As ye sow so shall ye reap

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#35 Johnoco

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:08 PM

We should have built exactly what after the 2000WC? It was a financial disaster and almost sent the RFL to the wall. There were virtually no genuine Welsh or Irish players to play for these countries...what were we meant to do? Pretend?


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#36 Northern Sol

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:20 PM

And your proof for all that I have highlighted ?


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#37 gingerjon

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

I'm pretty envious of the reach of the Six Nations, of the fact that the games don't need to be classics (or good) to get national press attention and large crowds.

But I'm also aware that the championship has been going since 1883 with the full support of exactly the right type of people for all that time - that shamateurism kept all the component parts of the competition at broadly the same level for most of that time (although Scotland have won at Twickenham a whole five times). Also the nature of a 4/5 game league is such that you will always have something to play for.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:05 PM

I have an American wife. She has say through a few games of rugby league and saw her first game of rugby union today.

Some bits were OK, but she had the following thoughts;
- The bit where they all push each other (ruck and scrum) look a bit silly
- It was a bit boring
- They kick all the time and she prefers the running and passing

Considering she could not have told me whether it was league or union, I suggest we reassure ourselves a little. If a game of rugby league had been that dull, we would be declaring our game ruined. Instead, it was another sport and we are declaring our game ruined.

Also, we RL had a game like that, Lobby would suggest it was proof that rugby union was better.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:27 PM

Comment on the BBC website:

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Rugby league faster and more exciting than Union? Get a grip, you stop the game every 10 seconds and then even hand the ball meekly over to the opposition after six tackles. you tell me when you have seen a rugby league game where you can have ten minutes of non stop action with all the ferocity and commitment or rucks and mauls.'


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:29 PM

Comment on the BBC website:

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Rugby league faster and more exciting than Union? Get a grip, you stop the game every 10 seconds and then even hand the ball meekly over to the opposition after six tackles. you tell me when you have seen a rugby league game where you can have ten minutes of non stop action with all the ferocity and commitment or rucks and mauls.'


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