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#21 Johnoco

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:29 PM

Isn't it about the buzz though. The thrill of the win. After all, we get our kicks from good rugby or a win, but it wasn't ours. And also, perhaps the thought of being lucky and making more, risky greed.

It is about the buzz. But don't you get a buzz from winning? Do you have to keep going until skint?

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#22 hindle xiii

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:00 PM

It is about the buzz. But don't you get a buzz from winning? Do you have to keep going until skint?

More. Win more, more buzz. Anyway, I think I'm stating the obvious so I'll shurrup. At the same time it isn't my personality so I'm second guessing.

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#23 Bleep1673

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:17 PM

In the 1990's I had a telephone betting account with William Hills, my GF at the time was fervently opposed to an form of gambling, when she found out that I had nearly £1000 in an account she went mental, and nearly called the wedding off, she thought that if I put the whole lot on one race it would cure me of this "Illness" as she called it, it backfired on her when the horse came in at 4-1, paid for the wedding, and honeymoon in Portugal.

I closed my account down soon after I withdrew the money. I now have an on-line account with Ladbrokes, I never put more in than I can afford when the balance runs out. £50 usually, and I never bet more than I feel comfortable with - usually £5-10.
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#24 Saint Billinge

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:22 PM

Just the Lottery. Our Stu's ex-girlfriend ran up a £50,000 debt on fruit machines, only then to win £50,000 on a scratch card. Having encouraged our Stu to take a £100,000 mortgage out, she then left him before one Christmas. My cousin's husband bets on horses daily and does very well out of it.

#25 shrek

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:34 PM

An occasional flutter on the lottery, perhaps once a month or so and a few quid in Premium Bonds and thats my lot.

Judging by my facebook and twitter timelines I seemingly know a lot of people who flutter on all sorts of wierd and wonderful football acumulators and ingame markets, one can only hope there being sensible as in true betting tradtion only high odd near misses and actual wins ever get reported!

Really doesn't float my boat.

#26 chuffer

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:09 PM

I do the lottery every now and then but proper gambling is one vice Ive managed to avoid thankfully

#27 hindle xiii

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:54 AM

What I always wonder is, how come online casinos and poker site are seen as dark, intense, late night and for men. Whereas bingo sites are all smiles, bright, shiny and for women?

They are the same thing just different games. Pay money, get credit.

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#28 MikeW

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:48 AM

I only realised I was a gambler in October after three years when I thought I was an "investor". I had two spreadbetting accounts where I was betting on the Foreign exchanges, oil prices and also shares. The problem was that when I follow a genuine investor strategy, and most importantly don't overbet I do roughly know a bit about investing. Unfortunately I also appear to have an addictive personality. In August 2011 I was down 7 grand and I realised that I needed to stop being reckless and I did manage to make that money back through sensible betting using a clear strategy. Unfortunately in October one of my bets was Apple, and rather than doing what an investor would do, take a 10% loss and walk away I kept putting higher and higher bets on like an addict. I lost about 3 grand on Apple in a week but at the same time I was making £1500 on the US Dow. To do this I had bets on totalling over £100,000. Whilst doing it I literally said to myself, "What the hell are you doing, this is mental?" but I kept ramping them up. I would spend the whole evening ignoring the wife and kids because I had to watch graphs on my mobile going up and down. After one last attempt to "win it all back" which failed I closed down both of my accounts and have not been back since. I've not looked at how much I lost over the course of the time. It's not a major amount, maybe £2,000 which for a three year hobby isn't that bad, but I have read some nightmare accounts of this kind of thing on the net and I know that if I ever went back to it there is every chance I could lose everything. What I will do when I have the money though is go into straight investing, using only the money that I have, and make it so that it's a pain in the bum to move your money around, because I still believe, that done properly investing for the long term will make you the most money.

#29 Old Frightful

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:43 PM

I spent $100 in the Venetian Casino in Vegas last year playing Craps

I've spent around £2,000 on season passes over the last few years watching Hull FC play cr ap and it wasn't particularly enjoyable.

Usually have a look at the RL handicap coupons to see if the bookies have missed a team suffering with injuries or if Saints have a cup game the following week.

Got a decent bit of advice from a guy who worked at Knowseley Rd telling us a few players were missing v Wakey a few years' back. Bookies jad Wakey at 10/1. Helped myself to a bit of that, Wakey snuck home 20-22 with Wellens missing a last second penalty from near the posts having also missed 5 conversions too. Top man he was that night, it's a wonder he wasn't investigated for match fixing.

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#30 tonyXIII

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:31 PM

I've spent around £2,000 on season passes over the last few years watching Hull FC play cr ap and it wasn't particularly enjoyable.


Yes, but that wasn't gambling as you knew exactly what you were getting, didn't you? ;) :D

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#31 Old Frightful

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:50 AM

Usually have a look at the RL handicap coupons to see if the bookies have missed a team suffering with injuries or if Saints have a cup game the following week.

Used this logic yesterday re. Sam Tomkins being unavailable for Wigan.

Had a fiver on Hudds to win by 11-15 and a fiver on them to win by 16-20, @ odds of 12/1 and 16/1 respectively.

I owe Ferres a beer or two. :D

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#32 Keith Nutter

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:10 PM

Interesting this one. I am surprised more of you aren't fleecing the bookies on the RL handicap betting. As a Barrow director I can no longer bet on the sport as it is against the operating rules but prior to 2011 I used to do really well. And I mean REALLY well.
The handicapper places his handicap but doesn't know as much about what is happening at clubs as the average forum user.
Every week there is at least one match in the Championship where the handicapper is way off the mark. SL is a bit unpredictable but do your homework, stick to the Championship matches and you will come out on top for sure if you are very selective with your bets. Pick out the one that jumps at you, bet in a single (never do doubles - the bookies love you to do that) and you will do ok.

Also NEVER bet for or against your own team as emotions come into play then.

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#33 Johnoco

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:24 PM

Keith, don't you have to put on a serious wedge to get a decent return?

No I don't care if you're if you're into different bands

No cause for so much hatred, I'm just a different man

Pull off that cover, I will too, and learn to understand

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#34 West Country Eagle

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:24 PM

Can't say I've ever been that interested in gambling, though I've been to the greyhounds with mates a few times and had the odd flutter, and will occasionally bet on the Grand National (but not every year, depends if I remember/fancy it).

A friend of mine recently tried to take his own life after building up a few thousand in gambling debts. We all thought he had a problem, but he kept the scale of his problems to himself. It turned out that he would finish work at lunchtime (he was a window cleaner) and go straight down the bookies. When he ran out of money he borrowed from "payday lenders" to finance his addiction. In the grand scheme of things his debts weren't that high, but enough to make him think he had no way out. Thankfully the police found him and he was rushed to hospital before he actually died. He's now been sent back to his parents for a few months while he gets treatment for his addiction (gamblers anonymous etc). Hopefully he'll kick the habit for good - as far as I can see it, it's just a way of losing all your cash. I mean, the bookies always win in the end.

As for the Lottery, I have spent many hours wondering what I'd use the money for if I won. Given that I buy a ticket on average once every few years, it's a bit pointless. Still, passes the time etc
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#35 Johnoco

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:28 PM

I've got a couple of bets on this weekend, ie the league cup and the WCC but must be a bit of a tightwad as I can't imagine betting serious money.

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#36 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:37 PM

I've got a couple of bets on this weekend, ie the league cup and the WCC but must be a bit of a tightwad as I can't imagine betting serious money.


This is me, I bet fairly regularly but I'm much too much of a wuss to ever get into trouble. I suppose it comes down to mentality, as a skeptic and somebody that knows the odds, I always presume that I am going to lose so only ever bet amounts that I am willing to lose. It's not a conscious thing to stop me getting addicted, it's just my personality.

I enjoy betting because it can add interest to games and there is a rewarding feeling if you win a bit where it requires some knowledge. I usually do it by putting a tenner in an online account and then if I win, carry on betting with that. If I lose I don't put any more in. I probably do this 5 times a year, usually around finals or events like World Cups, Olympics or big boxing fights. It's worked well over the years, I won £50 off a fiver in 2002 and won over £70 off a tenner at the Olympics this year.

It's ironic that this thread has come up actually as I had (for me) a big betting weekend. Recently, I took my brother to an Everton game and bet £10 on a 2-0 result. The game ended 0-0 and I quickly forgot about betting. During the week, I will often check the handicaps to see what the bookies think results are likely to be. It's a good, emotionless way of looking at potential outcomes. For instance, when England beat Australia and we dream of finally beating them, the bookies never get whipped up and still give us something like 14-16 points on the handicap.

This week I saw Saints were given -8 against Hull. It's not often that I think they have got it badly wrong but after watching their first two games I thought this was an absolute steal. I checked my online account and found that Bet365 void 0-0 bets so I still had my tenner! I bet it on Hull on the handicap and doubled my money (as it turned out it wasn't quite the steal I thought but I still won). I then used a tenner of this to bet on Bradford at +8 and Wakefield at -2. So my account is now up to £40 from a tenner I thought I'd lost.

Now I'm wondering what to do from here. Depending on the handicap, I might even bet £20 on the WCC which would be the most I've ever bet. I've a feeling Melbourne will win by about 10-16. I might take £30 out and just bet with the original £10. I know some don't see it this way but I feel like i'm betting with free money as it's all money I won from a tenner I thought I'd lost. There's zero chance of me putting more money in if I lost it all, so my actual finances are largely unaffected by it all.

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#37 Johnoco

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:17 PM

That's pretty much how I play it too MD.

No I don't care if you're if you're into different bands

No cause for so much hatred, I'm just a different man

Pull off that cover, I will too, and learn to understand

With music deep inside we'll make world unity our plan

 

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#38 Wolford6

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:23 PM

I might even bet £20 on the WCC which would be the most I've ever bet. I've a feeling Melbourne will win by about 10-16. I might take £30 out and just bet with the original £10.


Put your money on Leeds. If they win you can think "Well I hate them but at least I've made some money". If they lose you can think"Well, I've lost some money butI could afford it and at least Leeds got beaten"

Win win situation. ;-)

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#39 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 08:08 PM

Put your money on Leeds. If they win you can think "Well I hate them but at least I've made some money". If they lose you can think"Well, I've lost some money butI could afford it and at least Leeds got beaten"

Win win situation. ;-)


In all seriousness I always want the British side to win.

However, the bookies are only giving Leeds 2 points on the handicap. When the handicap is so low you are almost always just betting on the actual winner and I think Melbourne will win. The nature of our game means that the winning side usually does so by a fair few points. For instance if Melbourne win I expect it will really be by at least 8 or so but the same goes for Leeds.

#40 Keith Nutter

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:11 PM

Keith, don't you have to put on a serious wedge to get a decent return?


If you start with a fiver and keep re-investing your winnings, slowly increasing your stake you can soon build up a healthy pot. If you can get just six successive winners (at 10/11) and have the nerve to re-invest everything each time your £5 will become £241.84. If you can keep your nerve and keep re-investing everything up to 12 times then your fiver would become £11680 or thereabouts. Mind you on the last three bets you are placing a four figure sum :).

I used to start with £20 in my kitty and bet 25% of the kitty (a fiver at the start of the season). Then each week win or lose I would take a quarter of the kitty and invest it. Even doing it that way the kitty grows a lot by the end of the season and the most you can lose is your original £20. By just putting on 25% you are mitigating against getting a run of losers. I use to reckon I had a "hit" rate of 7 or 8 winners from every ten selections. I still do in fact but no longer can I bet. However last weekend I picked out three "naps" and they all came in. The current handicappers don't seem to have found their feet yet.
As I said in my earlier post though choose your bets carefully and don't bet just for the sake of it. Make sure (or pretty sure) the handicapper has (in your opinion) screwed up. Trust me he does this at least once a weekend (sometimes he does it a lot).

A professional gambler also once told me never to bet when it is raining as this screws up the form. Experience has taught me he was correct :).

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