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#41 hindle xiii

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:10 AM

IMO clubs shouldnt really be in the second tier of our professional structure if they have no ambition for playing in the top flight.

Back in 1998 all clubs in the second tier had ambition but the RFL brought in FTF - but not for SL clubs! That ruined everything

What's FTF? I'm drawing a blank.

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#42 gingerjon

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:17 AM

What's FTF? I'm drawing a blank.


Framing the Future?
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#43 tonyXIII

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:17 AM

What's FTF? I'm drawing a blank.


Framing The Future? Perhaps?

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#44 hindle xiii

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:20 AM

So it's not Fun Time Frankie? Jokes aside, I still haven't twigged. I don't even know what Framing the Future is.

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#45 JohnM

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:30 AM

Future is not a word frequently found on these forums..unless it is preceded by the word no and followed by the phrase without P and R :lol:

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:37 AM

So it's not Fun Time Frankie? Jokes aside, I still haven't twigged. I don't even know what Framing the Future is.


It was a document brought out that outlined how clubs in the Northern Ford Premiership should shape up if they wanted to join Super League... but I don't think they applied to Super League clubs.

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#47 hindle xiii

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:39 AM

It was a document brought out that outlined how clubs in the Northern Ford Premiership should shape up if they wanted to join Super League... but I don't think they applied to Super League clubs.

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#48 The Parksider

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:44 AM

IMO clubs shouldnt really be in the second tier of our professional structure if they have no ambition for playing in the top flight.

Back in 1998 all clubs in the second tier had ambition but the RFL brought in FTF - but not for SL clubs! That ruined everything


Sadly only the RFL/SLE opinion counts and they look to Australia for their inspiration as to how it should be and how it is there meets what they have always strived for. The smaller clubs around the Professional clubs being slaves to those clubs.

Back in 1996 the second tier clubs had peed the RFL/SLE off by not merging. Was FTF ever anything to do with ensuring a vibrant championship forever more?

The championship was necessary to SL at one time because it contained several clubs SL wanted - Hull and Wakefield for instance. Today the biggest clubs are now in SL so I'm sure (sadly) RFL/SLE have far less interest in the Championship as a stand alone competition.

The recent changes indicate what they want it to become IMHO.

Also you can't go on being an SL wannabee and continually failing at each license round, eventually fans and directors may lose heart anyway

Edited by The Parksider, 20 February 2013 - 09:48 AM.


#49 JohnM

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:45 AM

It was a bit more than what Matt J described.: see http://en.rugbyleagu...ming_the_Future

1994.The report described the British game's finances as being in crisis.[1] A financial analysis of 31 professional RFL member clubs had found that they were losing almost £3 million per annum between 1991 and 1993, with 17 clubs being technically insolvent.

Discuss

Edited by JohnM, 20 February 2013 - 09:46 AM.


#50 hindle xiii

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:51 AM

Was that during the last recession? I'm only a young lad y'see... B)

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#51 JohnM

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:57 AM

eeeh. lad , it were in 't last century....it were before tha were born..that is, if tha were born and not knitted out o' scraps of unravelled wool. Now in my day..blah..blah..... :lol:

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#52 Griff

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:06 AM

It was a bit more than what Matt J described.: see http://en.rugbyleagu...ming_the_Future

1994.The report described the British game's finances as being in crisis.[1] A financial analysis of 31 professional RFL member clubs had found that they were losing almost £3 million per annum between 1991 and 1993, with 17 clubs being technically insolvent.

Discuss


If only it were that good now. <_<
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#53 longboard

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:12 PM

Fax won't get anywhere near the 2500 figure if its still a requirement. There has be zero marketing for the new season and the games aren't pushed at all apart from on Twitter. If licensing is to remain, this was Faxs big chance to push for it and in my opinion they haven't even bothered. Very strange seeing as though the directors still talk about pushing for SL.


I've come across some bits of marketing in the area but not a lot. Disappointing really.

#54 Griff

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:22 PM

It was a document brought out that outlined how clubs in the Northern Ford Premiership should shape up if they wanted to join Super League... but I don't think they applied to Super League clubs.


It was further back than the dawn of $uperleague. About 1993.
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#55 JohnM

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:31 PM

see post #49

#56 Griff

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:35 PM

It was further back than the dawn of $uperleague. About 1993.


Only a year out, then. It definitely influenced the clubs to accept the Sky deal.
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#57 JohnM

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:20 PM

IIRC, it was the basis of the whole approach - a proposal in fact to BSB- Sky. It was a long time ago and as I grow old and as my eyesight dims an memory fails in the twilight of my years.... :rolleyes:

Edited by JohnM, 20 February 2013 - 02:21 PM.


#58 The Parksider

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:29 PM

I've come across some bits of marketing in the area but not a lot. Disappointing really.


Marketing costs money, maybe that's the reason.

The difference between top and bottom of the championship is immense every penny may be neccessary for staying up near the top.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:26 PM

The 2500 is a pen stroke that anyone can achieve, last 2 games sponsored in return for 20000 free tickets gives the average easily, so that won't stop either Fax or Leigh

#60 Manx RL

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:47 PM

IMO clubs shouldnt really be in the second tier of our professional structure if they have no ambition for playing in the top flight.

Back in 1998 all clubs in the second tier had ambition but the RFL brought in FTF - but not for SL clubs! That ruined everything



http://archiveshub.a.../gb1103-rfl.xml
' In August 1994 the Rugby Football League published its 'Framing The Future' document which called for a soccer style Premier League and club mergers. '

The report stated that there were too many clubs in too small an area for the game to be marketed properly :o


and a bit more here too

http://www.publicati...590/9062808.htm

Edited by Manx RL, 20 February 2013 - 05:48 PM.

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