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#1 plug

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:05 PM

just heard steve ferris walked out on cas they dont share his vision by all acounts ???

#2 gazza77

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:18 PM

just heard steve ferris walked out on cas they dont share his vision by all acounts ???


It's hardly a secret.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...league/21504883

Personally, I hope they get themselves sorted, at least to some extent. If we do manage to get into SL, we need a good local rivalry, and who better to have? :D

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:25 PM

If you get there, you'll probably replace them.
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#4 Bob Crowther

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

Rivalry aside, I do not like to see other clubs struggling, especially local teams.My views do not include clubs who have thrown money on to the fire.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:38 PM

the question is not will cas survive, but will rugby league survive in this country. some of the decisions made by the powers that be lately have not been for the good of the game.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:47 PM

the question is not will cas survive, but will rugby league survive in this country. some of the decisions made by the powers that be lately have not been for the good of the game.

bang on! I fear for the game!
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:04 PM

the question is not will cas survive, but will rugby league survive in this country. some of the decisions made by the powers that be lately have not been for the good of the game.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:52 PM

the question is not will cas survive, but will rugby league survive in this country. some of the decisions made by the powers that be lately have not been for the good of the game.


Some of the things the RFL have done I'd agree with you, not all of them though.

Whilst I hope Cas survive however, they've got themselves in their current hole without any assistance from the RFL.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:35 PM

Some of the things the RFL have done I'd agree with you, not all of them though.

Whilst I hope Cas survive however, they've got themselves in their current hole without any assistance from the RFL.

have they though, they clearly didn't meet criteria
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:00 PM

have they though, they clearly didn't meet criteria


Depends on how you're considering the criteria.

Are they really good enough? Probably not.

Were they in the top 14 applications? Quite possibly they were. Whether there should have been 14 teams in the first place is a different question, especially given how several of the applicants have failed financially since.

Irrespective of whether or not Cas got a licence anyway, they appear to me to have been badly managed for a number of years. They aren't the only ones either. If they had spent the last 12 months in the Championship following the last license round, I suspect they'd still be in the same position off the field as they are now, which imo indicates that it's those running the club that are causing their problems in the main, not the RFL. The RFL have their faults; the management of Cas isn't one of them.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:19 AM

Depends on how you're considering the criteria.

Are they really good enough? Probably not.

Were they in the top 14 applications? Quite possibly they were. Whether there should have been 14 teams in the first place is a different question, especially given how several of the applicants have failed financially since.

Irrespective of whether or not Cas got a licence anyway, they appear to me to have been badly managed for a number of years. They aren't the only ones either. If they had spent the last 12 months in the Championship following the last license round, I suspect they'd still be in the same position off the field as they are now, which imo indicates that it's those running the club that are causing their problems in the main, not the RFL. The RFL have their faults; the management of Cas isn't one of them.

Depends on how you're considering the criteria.

Are they really good enough? Probably not.

Were they in the top 14 applications? Quite possibly they were. Whether there should have been 14 teams in the first place is a different question, especially given how several of the applicants have failed financially since.

Irrespective of whether or not Cas got a licence anyway, they appear to me to have been badly managed for a number of years. They aren't the only ones either. If they had spent the last 12 months in the Championship following the last license round, I suspect they'd still be in the same position off the field as they are now, which imo indicates that it's those running the club that are causing their problems in the main, not the RFL. The RFL have their faults; the management of Cas isn't one of them.

i agree with a lot of what you say, but it looks to me like the rfl have given franchises to clubs who's finances didn't stand up to scrutiny. also cas didn't tick the box regarding their ground. you're right, the clubs are responsible for their own finances, but the rfl are responsible for the franchise allocations. do they go to the clubs who meet criteria or the clubs that get nearest to it.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:55 AM

i agree with a lot of what you say, but it looks to me like the rfl have given franchises to clubs who's finances didn't stand up to scrutiny. also cas didn't tick the box regarding their ground. you're right, the clubs are responsible for their own finances, but the rfl are responsible for the franchise allocations. do they go to the clubs who meet criteria or the clubs that get nearest to it.


Having decided that they wanted 14 clubs in $uperleague, they gave licences to the best 14 applicants - in their opinion.

Whether there are as many as 14 applicants who stood up to scrutiny is a matter for debate. I would suggest eight or ten would be nearer the mark.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:56 AM

i agree with a lot of what you say, but it looks to me like the rfl have given franchises to clubs who's finances didn't stand up to scrutiny. also cas didn't tick the box regarding their ground. you're right, the clubs are responsible for their own finances, but the rfl are responsible for the franchise allocations. do they go to the clubs who meet criteria or the clubs that get nearest to it.


I agree. That's kind of what I was getting at though with how the criteria were looked at. If only clubs that met the criteria had been granted licences, how many would have got one? Cas, Salford, Halifax, Crusaders, Wakey, Bradford - all quite possibly not. Were Cas the worst of those applications? We'll never know for sure, but to date they haven't actually got into the same position as some of the others mentioned, so they probably weren't the worst.

My feeling is that the RFL chose (along with the current SL teams) to go with a 14 strong competition, and picked the 14 strongest applications, irrespective of whether they actually met all the criteria. With hindsight, it would probably have been better to go to a 12 or even 10 team competition.

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#14 oldrover

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:13 AM

question: is full time rugby league in the UK realistic.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:15 AM

I agree. That's kind of what I was getting at though with how the criteria were looked at. If only clubs that met the criteria had been granted licences, how many would have got one? Cas, Salford, Halifax, Crusaders, Wakey, Bradford - all quite possibly not. Were Cas the worst of those applications? We'll never know for sure, but to date they haven't actually got into the same position as some of the others mentioned, so they probably weren't the worst.

My feeling is that the RFL chose (along with the current SL teams) to go with a 14 strong competition, and picked the 14 strongest applications, irrespective of whether they actually met all the criteria. With hindsight, it would probably have been better to go to a 12 or even 10 team competition.

It's obviously time for restructuring and to relax the criteria to a more achievable level. I've a feeling that's what's about to happen.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:23 AM

It's obviously time for restructuring and to relax the criteria to a more achievable level. I've a feeling that's what's about to happen.


Yes. I also think the RFL should have more power and the current SL clubs less of it, that way in theory at least, the game as a whole can be developed, rather than just pandering to the whims of those currently at the top of the pile.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:05 PM

Some of the criteria are fixed by the Government - health and safety, minimum wages and so on. Compulsory pensions are coming in soon, NI is 13.8% where not so long ago it was 5.5%.

Stuff like that you can't avoid by the game merely resetting its criteria for $uperleague.
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#18 jamescolin

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:13 PM

It's the same old tale. Clubs are not run as efficient businesses. The income from crowds alone are not sufficient. Diversification is the order of the day and to live within your income from whatever source. Clubs overspend on players looking for success. They don't get it and then have to pick up the bill. Cash flow as I have said on numerous occasions is all important. I reckon Ferris was trying to introduce efficiency and his ideas were not acceptable. Cloud cuckoo land comes to mind.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:26 PM

If half a dozen clubs push the boat out in search of success, it ought to be painfully obvious that five of them are going to be disappointed.
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#20 jamescolin

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 05:12 PM

Different areas, different boats.




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