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[getdownmonkeyman]

The administration still has problems with ticketing and attracting attendances which are down on last year.Oh,and the club shop still does not possess any merchandise.
Now we have established how brilliant the administration has been since January,what problem do you have with the coaching ?

By administration, I mean Chief Exec, Graham Lowe and Andrew Ryan. Not the ticket and scarf sellers.

Phil Veivers isn't a great coach, that much is obvious. Great coaches make average squads, good. Average coaches make great squads, average.

[tonyXIII]

By administration, I mean Chief Exec, Graham Lowe and Andrew Ryan. Not the ticket and scarf sellers.

Phil Veivers isn't a great coach, that much is obvious. Great coaches make average squads, good. Average coaches make great squads, average.

I don't think TwoBlues was on about the people doing the selling. There are problems with ticketing. For the HKR game, I bought my ticket from the little ticket office at the back of the South Stand, walked 10 metres to the turnstile where they scanned the ticket, then said they had to re-scan it, re-scanned it and said it was not valid and I had to go back to the ticket office for a replacement. That was not, IMO, the fault of the ticket seller, it was a fault in the system. And if there is a fault in the system, it is a problem with administration.

You're right about great coaches, but we don't even have an average squad yet. Your point stands, though. The jury is still out on PV and, by association, SL.

[TwoBlues]

By administration, I mean Chief Exec, Graham Lowe and Andrew Ryan. Not the ticket and scarf sellers.

Phil Veivers isn't a great coach, that much is obvious. Great coaches make average squads, good. Average coaches make great squads, average.

It's Andrew Chalmers.The administration,in my opinion will be first class,but until such time as Phil Veivers actually has a squad then judgement cannot possibly be made.
A patient owner,over at Widnes,seems to be reaping the rewards tonight,while a different individual may make friends with the supporters but the coach hasn't as yet had average or great results.Perhaps they need an ex-Salford half-back playing for them
http://www.thisishul...#axzz2MPhF2gtq

[Pottsy]

Because Salford, and only Salford, have the location and facilities to normalise the idea of rugby league in the minds of BBC Sport executives. It's as simple as that.

A big, powerful, SL club on the very doorstep of BBC Sport. You honestly can't see the value in that?

No, because Parky is the oracle of this forum whose knowledge transcends the mere opinions of the other mortals who he permits to post here.

I am not sure what qualifies him to be more well informed and wise than we mere mortals; I just know that he is.

Do not question the word of Parky. Parky knows best.

[getdownmonkeyman]

It's Andrew Chalmers.The administration,in my opinion will be first class,but until such time as Phil Veivers actually has a squad then judgement cannot possibly be made.
A patient owner,over at Widnes,seems to be reaping the rewards tonight,while a different individual may make friends with the supporters but the coach hasn't as yet had average or great results.Perhaps they need an ex-Salford half-back playing for them
http://www.thisishul...#axzz2MPhF2gtq

I assume the above link is a reference to Holdsworth, whom Veivers had in his squad last season. Alongside Patten, Moon, Smith, et al it was a more than capable squad, therefore judgement can be made.

[The Parksider]

No, because Parky is the oracle of this forum whose knowledge transcends the mere opinions of the other mortals who he permits to post here.

I am not sure what qualifies him to be more well informed and wise than we mere mortals; I just know that he is.

Do not question the word of Parky. Parky knows best.

Grow up Pottsy.

The usual knee jerk reaction to something someone doesn't want to hear or doesn't like is getting all personal instead of supplying a counter argument.

Cut the extremely childish stuff that does you no favours and answer the point I make.

Salford are one of only FIVE SL clubs close to BBC sport's new headquarters, so why do you or Steve or Martin Sadler believe that Salford can exclusively grow off the back of the Beeb's presence.

When the BBC sport was in Shepherds Bush was it QPR that were growing big because they were on the Beeb's doorstep?

Just give me a reasoned and logical answer to why Salford are the most important club in the game?

[TheDuke]

Its certainly shaking up RL as we know it and it may be a good thing, surely paying a few fees to clubs in need of cash may be a good injection of funds in the game

[Pottsy]

Grow up Pottsy.

The usual knee jerk reaction to something someone doesn't want to hear or doesn't like is getting all personal instead of supplying a counter argument.

Cut the extremely childish stuff that does you no favours and answer the point I make.

Salford are one of only FIVE SL clubs close to BBC sport's new headquarters, so why do you or Steve or Martin Sadler believe that Salford can exclusively grow off the back of the Beeb's presence.

When the BBC sport was in Shepherds Bush was it QPR that were growing big because they were on the Beeb's doorstep?

Just give me a reasoned and logical answer to why Salford are the most important club in the game?

Nothing personal, Parky. And, as it happens, I don't buy into the idea that Salford is the most strategically important club in the game. That's not the issue.

What I do get sick of on these threads is the way you shout down the opinions of others, whilst dispensing your own opinions as though they're documented facts.

All things said, other than what we read in League Express and the tittle tattle we pick up online, none of us really know what's discussed in the 'corridors of power' so all opinions (even the crackpot ones) are equally valid.

If you do possess a hotline to Red Hall I apologise but I suspect you don't.

[giwildgo]

You're missing the point. BBC Sport already knows about Wigan. It's a strange place where the locals have a fixation on a peculiar Northern quirk.

Rugby league and winning trophies?

Wigan's also fairly typical of the north and its standard non Manc, Scouse, Loiner stereotypes rather than being strange.

The point is to normalise the game in the minds of the BBC and therefore, by extension, lots of other people. Salford are a key vehicle for doing that.

Outside of the Quays, Salford and its hinterland is an absolute dump and conforms to much of the negative northern stereotypes. Salford are not a quick fix on public perception - RL stereotypes and prejudice run deep. The best way of changing people's views is to fill the modern stadiums around the league so that TV viewers see it as a sport on the up. We've been trying to make that happen for years but progress is slow and even stagnant in many areas, including Salford. One of these days we'll just have to accept that we are a minority sport and will remain one despite everyone's best efforts. I can't understand why the sport isn't more popular, but it just does not connect with a significant proportion of the population.

[The Parksider]

What I do get sick of on these threads is the way you shout down the opinions of others, whilst dispensing your own opinions as though they're documented facts.

What way is this? How am I "shouting" where do I claim reasoned and logical arguments IMHO as "fact"?

How are all opinions equally valid when many are shown to be factually incorrect by research?

What you espouse is the ability of people to say anything they want, not back it up and then be respected for that.

If you don't like my style (and rest assured I like yours even less), then don't try to be the self styled people's champion, which you are not.

Don't be personal which you were, don't be utterly childish which you were.

Just grow up and follow the site rules.

Do the reasonable thing and put me on ignore now.

Edited by The Parksider, 03 March 2013 - 11:13 AM.

[TwoBlues]

I assume the above link is a reference to Holdsworth, whom Veivers had in his squad last season. Alongside Patten, Moon, Smith, et al it was a more than capable squad, therefore judgement can be made.

So your judgement,I presume,is that with those players,who either wanted out or were going out due to the financial situation,he should have done better ?
If it is your opinion that the coach should have done better,so be it.However it is now that there are murmurings of replacing him with another coach despite him having loan players at full back and centre.A tad unfair I think and I await with interest if any of those who left Salford are lifting silverware at the end of this campaign.
Do you have an opinion on coach Betts at Widnes ? Hardly set the Championship alight but O'Connor retained faith and there are indications of year on year improvement.Are you willing to express an opinon on whether or not you think Veivers will show an improvement on last years campaign;should he last the course ?

[L Bow]

Grow up Pottsy.

The usual knee jerk reaction to something someone doesn't want to hear or doesn't like is getting all personal instead of supplying a counter argument.

Cut the extremely childish stuff that does you no favours and answer the point I make.

Salford are one of only FIVE SL clubs close to BBC sport's new headquarters, so why do you or Steve or Martin Sadler believe that Salford can exclusively grow off the back of the Beeb's presence.

When the BBC sport was in Shepherds Bush was it QPR that were growing big because they were on the Beeb's doorstep?

Just give me a reasoned and logical answer to why Salford are the most important club in the game?

What way is this? How am I "shouting" where do I claim reasoned and logical arguments IMHO as "fact"?

How are all opinions equally valid when many are shown to be factually incorrect by research?

What you espouse is the ability of people to say anything they want, not back it up and then be respected for that.

If you don't like my style (and rest assured I like yours even less), then don't try to be the self styled people's champion, which you are not.

Don't be personal which you were, don't be utterly childish which you were.

Just grow up and follow the site rules.

Do the reasonable thing and put me on ignore now.

Actually my recollection was that in the 70s QPR was often the popular destination of choice because they were in the top half of the old first division and it was just round the corner.

As much as you'd like it to be Wigan is not on the doorstep its about 20 miles away and whichever route you take in it tends to be a bit of a slog to get to.

[L Bow]

I assume the above link is a reference to Holdsworth, whom Veivers had in his squad last season. Alongside Patten, Moon, Smith, et al it was a more than capable squad, therefore judgement can be made.

I don't really see how it can. Veivers essentially had the rug pulled from under him as the financial problems at the club led to it starting to unravel. The sale of Smith to Wigan when we were still challenging for the play offs, though financially necessary it can now be said, nevertheless signalled the end. Of the guys mentioned one went before the end of the season and the others pretty much put the cue in the rack and went through the motions.

[hindle xiii]

I applaud him speaking out about wanting the best and to make Salford a real force.

However, reading an article on the BBC is a little Draconian, and could backfire by making the players panic. There's giving underperforming players a kick up the backside and threatening them win unemployment.

I hope he doesn't start playing chess with people's jobs.

[The Parksider]

As much as you'd like it to be Wigan is not on the doorstep its about 20 miles away

It's entirely up to you to hold the opinion Salford is now the most important club in the league because it's close to the Beeb, and Wigan is a slog to get to.

It doesn't gel with the idea reporters actually get out and about, and have a duty to provide extensive coverage.

In your point that I'd "like it to be Wigan", I don't actually care, but if people want to make out I'm Salford bashing fine.

[getdownmonkeyman]

So your judgement,I presume,is that with those players,who either wanted out or were going out due to the financial situation,he should have done better ?
If it is your opinion that the coach should have done better,so be it.However it is now that there are murmurings of replacing him with another coach despite him having loan players at full back and centre.A tad unfair I think and I await with interest if any of those who left Salford are lifting silverware at the end of this campaign.
Do you have an opinion on coach Betts at Widnes ? Hardly set the Championship alight but O'Connor retained faith and there are indications of year on year improvement.Are you willing to express an opinon on whether or not you think Veivers will show an improvement on last years campaign;should he last the course ?

Where do you want to draw a base line from? Veivers took temporary charge halfway through 2011, with a Parish-inspired hiatus for a few games. Come next month, he will have been in charge for two years and all the while Salford have been inconsistent. So across three different seasons, granted 2013 is in its infancy Salford remain inconsistent? How much latitude do you want to give him?

[getdownmonkeyman]

I don't really see how it can. Veivers essentially had the rug pulled from under him as the financial problems at the club led to it starting to unravel. The sale of Smith to Wigan when we were still challenging for the play offs, though financially necessary it can now be said, nevertheless signalled the end. Of the guys mentioned one went before the end of the season and the others pretty much put the cue in the rack and went through the motions.

I would cite Mick Potter as doing a far better job in much more trying circumstances.

[Pottsy]

Veivers has just been sacked

[hindle xiii]

Veivers just been sacked lil bro tells me.

[hindle xiii]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Tony Smith as the next coach, he likes the challenge going from Huddersfield to bringing in trophies at Leeds and Warrington. Some may raise an eyebrow but it fits his pattern in Super League.