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Eastleigh By-Election: Who would you vote for?


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Poll: Who would you vote for in the Eastleigh By-Election? (25 member(s) have cast votes)

Who would you vote for in the Eastleigh By-Election?

  1. COLIN BEX - Wessex Regionalists (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. DAVID BISHOP - Elvis Loves Pets Party (3 votes [12.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.00%

  3. JIM DUGGAN - Peace Party (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. RAY HALL - Beer, Baccy and Crumpet Party (2 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  5. HOWLING LAUD HOPE - Monster Raving Loony William Hill Party (2 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  6. MARIA HUTCHINGS - Conservative (2 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  7. DIANE JAMES - UK Independence Party (3 votes [12.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.00%

  8. DR IAIN MACLENNAN - National Health Action Party (2 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  9. KEVIN MILBURN - Christian Party "Proclaiming Christ's Lordship" (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. JOHN O'FARRELL - Labour (5 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  11. DARREN PROCTER - Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition (2 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  12. DANNY STUPPLE - Independent (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  13. MIKE THORNTON - Liberal Democrats (3 votes [12.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.00%

  14. MICHAEL WALTERS - English Democrats (1 votes [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

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#21 Methven Hornet

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:52 PM

A depressing choice, but I'll go for saving the NHS in England.
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#22 Trojan

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:22 PM

On the face of it yes, but I consider my self a fiscal conservative and social liberal. That's mostly why labour don't come in to my equation, at least until they show they've learnt some lessons in that area, and realise that socially 1984 (the Orwell novel) was a warning not a blueprint for society. As a small business owner technically I should vote Conservative, but frankly their snotty pro-London, anti civil liberties attitude repulses me. Leaving me with the Lib Dems. They certainly aren't perfect but I'll at least give them a chance to improve. After that I guess I'll stop voting as I refuse to only vote for the least bad candidate.

The thing about being in a coalition is that you can't have everything you want (the torys haven't had it all their own way either, and if the torys don't win expect an explosion on the far right) and frankly the Lib Dems were naive when they negotiated the coalition agreement, but since they were the smallest party they couldn't expect to get much. Directly after the election most commentators predicted another general election within 12 to 18 month, but the government has managed to provide stable governance of the country so far.

The Lib/Dems have got nothing out of the coalition(except red boxes and exectuive limos) whlist nodding through swingeing cuts, virtual privatisation of the health service, and enormous tax cuts for the better off. In 2010 had I lived in (say) Leeds North West i'd probably have voted Lib/Dem - I bet loads of Labour voters did. All it did was give us this extreme, vindictive, unpleasant, nasty Tory government.
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#23 Wolford6

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:03 PM

Early voxpop is that LibDem has won, UKIP second.

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#24 RidingPie

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:03 AM

The Lib/Dems have got nothing out of the coalition(except red boxes and exectuive limos) whlist nodding through swingeing cuts, virtual privatisation of the health service, and enormous tax cuts for the better off. In 2010 had I lived in (say) Leeds North West i'd probably have voted Lib/Dem - I bet loads of Labour voters did. All it did was give us this extreme, vindictive, unpleasant, nasty Tory government.


So they've not managed to get everyone's tax free allowance raise?

They've not managed to stop a dreadful new secondary school qualification stopped?

Most impressively they actually got a referendum on a better voting system. It will be difficult for me to forgive labour for not supporting that one.

They've actually tried to make the House of Lords more representative.

As I said they were naive while negotiating te coalition document, and they've made mistakes but then so have every party.

Anyway a confirmed lib dem win in Eastleigh now probably means the party won't be wiped out at the next election.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 07:44 AM

By sheer numbers UKIP must be delighted with the result. Not a bad turnout for a by-election but hard to draw too many lessons from it no matter what the Westminster Village Scribblers say.
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#26 RidingPie

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:22 AM

Very true... I do wonder if this could lead to a challenge to Cameron's leadership! Also I don't think going to 4 party politics is a bad thing (even though I disagree with UKIP fairly fundamentally), just need a few more decent parties so there are some decent options.

#27 Wolford6

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:36 AM

By sheer numbers UKIP must be delighted with the result.


The UKIP result indicates to me that the economy has been regarded of secondary importance at Eastleigh, which I don't imagine has a significant problem with ethnic minorities.

I think it's an indication that:
- the next election will be won and lost on immigration policy.
- UKIP can take votes off both Conservative and Labour candidates.

That being the case, Cameron will change his tune but the Miliband administration is a dead duck. If Labour wants to stand any chance of winning a General election, it's got to ditch him now.

Let's hope so. It would be good riddance to Little Lord Fauntleroy.

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#28 RidingPie

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:35 AM

Nah Labour were always on a hiding to nothing in Eastleigh. It was the Conservatives to lose, and even with their slick media machine managed to fail. Current predictions give Labour a 112 seat majority so, whilst I personally as an outside think Milliband is useless they'd be stupid to get rid of him.

Cameron on the other hand is an interesting matter, the knives will be out by the far right, and yet he is still deemed by many as the best thing about the Conservative party. If they get rid of him a Conservative party that swings as far to the right as the US Republic party could be very dangerous, although I would hope that such fanaticism and libertarian views would be a general turn off to the voters over here.

#29 John Drake

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:43 AM

- the next election will be won and lost on immigration policy.


Sorry to disappoint, but no, it absolutely won't.

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#30 Futtocks

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:49 AM

The UKIP result indicates that they got plenty of protest votes. Their problem has been (and always will be) holding on to those votes come the General Election.

Lib-Dems hold, with a smaller margin. Standard, no surprises result, although it was a very decent turnout for a change.

Conservatives and Labour were never going to win. Labour probably hoped to increase their vote though, which didn't happen.

Political hacks churn out page after page after page of bloated, convoluted speculation and flimflam - no change.

Edited by Futtocks, 01 March 2013 - 09:50 AM.

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#31 John Drake

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:53 AM

Most impressively they actually got a referendum on a better voting system. It will be difficult for me to forgive labour for not supporting that one.


Less impressively, it was a referendum on a voting system that not even the Lib Dems themselves wanted, which made it virtually impossible to sell the idea to anyone else, hence the overwhelming defeat. Perhaps I'm mistaken here, but I seem to recall the leader of the Labour Party urging people to vote yes in the referendum.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:55 AM

The UKIP result indicates that they got plenty of protest votes. Their problem has been (and always will be) holding on to those votes come the General Election.

Lib-Dems hold, with a smaller margin. Standard, no surprises result, although it was a very decent turnout for a change.

Conservatives and Labour were never going to win. Labour probably hoped to increase their vote though, which didn't happen.

Political hacks churn out page after page after page of bloated, convoluted speculation and flimflam - no change.


One thing you can always be sure of after a By-Election is that everyone involved will claim to have won it in some way or other, regardless of how the actual votes have stacked up.

And it won't foretell the result of a General Election either, though lots of people will pretend that it does,

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#33 gingerjon

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:58 AM

Nah Labour were always on a hiding to nothing in Eastleigh. It was the Conservatives to lose, and even with their slick media machine managed to fail. Current predictions give Labour a 112 seat majority so, whilst I personally as an outside think Milliband is useless they'd be stupid to get rid of him.

Cameron on the other hand is an interesting matter, the knives will be out by the far right, and yet he is still deemed by many as the best thing about the Conservative party. If they get rid of him a Conservative party that swings as far to the right as the US Republic party could be very dangerous, although I would hope that such fanaticism and libertarian views would be a general turn off to the voters over here.


Labour did a bit worse than I expected but I doubt that will worry them overly - it does mean that a 1997-style sweep across the country must be out of the question in the next election. It looks like Ukip, in the south at least, are safe protest vote for disaffected Tories. Interesting opinion offered this morning was that for all the comment made about the relative silence of the Tory candidate the Ukip one was also mute for vast amounts of time - and the suggestion is that had it been Farage himself wailing on then their result would have been a lot worse. It is noticeable that he himself doesn't poll particularly well for all his bluster. If Ukip are to have any chance of holding votes or even winning a seat they'll need to be on the best behaviour from now until May 2015 and can they be trusted to do that?

Labour don't need to ditch Milliband - in fact they need to realise that their lead is holding up very strongly despite the negative perceptions. People in general don't like politicians to act like politicians so the worst thing they could do is starting getting all Machiavelli at the exact same time as the Tories are about to implode.

I don't think immigration will be the main focus of the election. If it's anything other than the economy I'll eat Wolford's faux Celtic nationalism, although foreigners taking jobs may play a part in that. The obvious response is that there needs to be investment in industry, education and training ... and the Coalition has cut back on all of those things. Not having to come up with an alternative plan - indeed, having had much the same plan - is why it's easier in opposition.
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#34 RidingPie

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:01 AM

Less impressively, it was a referendum on a voting system that not even the Lib Dems themselves wanted, which made it virtually impossible to sell the idea to anyone else, hence the overwhelming defeat. Perhaps I'm mistaken here, but I seem to recall the leader of the Labour Party urging people to vote yes in the referendum.


Whilst AV wasn't great it was an improvement on FPTP. Small steps and all... they'd never have got anywhere in a referendum for full proportional representation with STV. So yes, getting the referendum, for me still counts as a success.

It wasn't Labour encouraging people to vote yes! Milliband was actually clever in the run up to the referendum. He supported AV (to appeal to Lib Dem voters I assume), yet ALL his party big beasts were in the no campaign. That always felt strategic to me.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:12 AM

Labour don't need to ditch Milliband - in fact they need to realise that their lead is holding up very strongly despite the negative perceptions.
I don't think immigration will be the main focus of the election. If it's anything other than the economy I'll eat Wolford's faux Celtic nationalism, although foreigners taking jobs may play a part in that.


I'm a proud Celt, not a Celtic Nationalist. To claim that I'm a Celtic nationalist is just cow clap, and you're more than welcome to eat as much of it as you like.

It's the arrival of foreigners that won't be taking jobs that concerns people. Still, every cloud has a silver lining for somebody ... the charity sector is always looking for a new body of scroungers to use as a basis for new appeal campaigns.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:20 AM

Whilst AV wasn't great it was an improvement on FPTP. Small steps and all... they'd never have got anywhere in a referendum for full proportional representation with STV. So yes, getting the referendum, for me still counts as a success.

It wasn't Labour encouraging people to vote yes! Milliband was actually clever in the run up to the referendum. He supported AV (to appeal to Lib Dem voters I assume), yet ALL his party big beasts were in the no campaign. That always felt strategic to me.


The lack of any PR is going to make the next election very strange. I can't see how there's going to be anything like a national picture but rather a lot of highly localised campaigns. Labour should have enough votes across the board to get a workable majority but the fractured nature of the country, plus the possibility of any number of protest vote options makes that picture murkier. Another hung parliament wouldn't surprise me only this time without the possibility of saying "add these two together to get a coalition".
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:21 AM

the charity sector is always looking for a new body of scroungers to use as a basis for new appeal campaigns.


Just working on one for (predominately white, working class) men in the north in their 50s and over who might want to go on living for as long as possible whilst being able to have a drink.

Bunch of scroungers.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:22 AM

If Ukip are to have any chance of holding votes or even winning a seat they'll need to be on the best behaviour from now until May 2015 and can they be trusted to do that?


They put up discredited ex-Tory waffle merchant Neil Hamilton as their spokesman on Question Time last night. That doesn't bode well for them if people like him are the best they've got. It was hilarious and depressing in equal measure listening to him witter on about why voters are disillusioned with politics when a big reason voters are disillusioned with politics is because it is infested with chancers like him.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:25 AM

The lack of any PR is going to make the next election very strange. I can't see how there's going to be anything like a national picture but rather a lot of highly localised campaigns. Labour should have enough votes across the board to get a workable majority but the fractured nature of the country, plus the possibility of any number of protest vote options makes that picture murkier. Another hung parliament wouldn't surprise me only this time without the possibility of saying "add these two together to get a coalition".


Well before this government it was always though a coalition could not run a stable government, maybe the next term will show a minority government can manage to run the UK. These two could force the political parties to grow up a bit. PR would be welcome for mine! I never understood Labours reluctance.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:29 AM

They put up discredited ex-Tory waffle merchant Neil Hamilton as their spokesman on Question Time last night. That doesn't bode well for them if people like him are the best they've got. It was hilarious and depressing in equal measure listening to him witter on about why voters are disillusioned with politics when a big reason voters are disillusioned with politics is because it is infested with chancers like him.

I thought that was an odd move by UKIP. No one on the panel seemed to take Hamilton seriously. I really don't like Farage but have got to admit that he does generally perform well on QT.
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