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#21 fieldofclothofgold

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:45 PM

Didn't Cromwell get dug up too?
but you and I weve been through that and this is not our fate.
So let us so let us not talk falsely now.
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#22 Grinner

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:47 PM

Serious question, does the new regualtor cover League Express and other specialist / trade papers?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 03:57 PM

Serious question, does the new regualtor cover League Express and other specialist / trade papers?


I don't know but I'd assume so. That said I can't see LE hacking Tomkins phone to see who he's getting offers from

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:39 PM

Serious question, does the new regualtor cover League Express and other specialist / trade papers?


From the BBC Website: "On Monday, Culture Secretary Maria Miller said that to be affected by the change, a "publisher would have to meet the three tests of whether the publication is publishing news-related material in the course of a business, whether their material is written by a range of authors - this would exclude a one-man band or a single blogger - and whether that material is subject to editorial control"."

So from that it looks as though we are.

The details have yet to be revealed, but there are many things to worry about in relation to what has apparently been agreed. The future of League Publications is a very minor issue compared to some of the wider ramifications of what is happening.

Given that we are the publisher of this website, and of this forum, the danger is that the forum might also be caught in this particular net. I wouldn't have thought it was the target of the legislation, when it comes, but on the basis of what Maria Miller said I wouldn't rule it out.

#25 tim2

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:16 PM

I wonder if the papers will go to the European Court of Human Rights to get this legislation (or whatever it is) blocked? I'd love to see the Sun and the Mail do that. :rolleyes:

We don't have full press freedom anyway - you can print what you like but can then fall foul of libel laws. As far as I can see this is extending that principle to cover people who can't afford Messrs. Sue, Grabbit and Runne.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:20 PM

That's as maybe, but at least now Lady Annabel Goldsmith, Hugh Grant, Arpad Busson, John Frieda, Alain de Botton can engage in their activities safe from public view, and that's what counts, isn't it? ...and that dreadful Ian Hislop had better watch it , too!!

Edited by JohnM, 19 March 2013 - 05:20 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:31 PM

Despite the intentions of Leveson, they're now attempting to include the internet in the legislation. More particularly blogs where there is more than one contributor and some type of editorial control is in place. Grant Shapps, perhaps the most useless government minister in this coalition (although there's a few to choose from), was on newsnight last night making a fool of himself attempting to explain what exactly MPs have voted for.
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#28 JohnM

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:49 PM

to be fair, no one seems to know what they have voted for or against, only that everyone has won.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:32 PM

Seems there is a lot of noise and scaremongering coming from certain sections of the press who object to having to play by any sort of rules.

As far as I can work out there is still a general principle of press freedom, it's just being allied with some rules regarding basing stories on some truth and ensuring stories have been obtained via legal means. But then I could be completely wrong. :ph34r:
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:34 PM

We don't have a free press - we have a press controlled by vested interests (of many political persuasions, though largely right wing in the case of national newspapers). All the bleating of the Sun, Mail etc gets on my goat. While it's important to protect the freedom of the press to report things of public interest, it would be nice to have a press regulator that isn't under the thumb of the most obnoxious newspaper proprietors and editors. If you allow the press (and by this I mean the national newspapers in particular) the freedom to regulate themselves, they won't do a good job - too many vested interests.

That said, I'd rather politicians weren't sticking their beaks into the issue, either. It does set a dangerous precedent.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:40 PM

If scientific data is published in a scientific journal that is knowingly fraudulent, the author may face imprisonment. In a newspaper, it is not an issue. It seems peculiar to me that we do not have newspapers campaigning for scientific journals to have the right to make stuff up too.

In the MMR case, we would have seen fewer papers sold and an article not appear in a medical magazine. Just for the sake of a few infant lives.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:15 PM

I feel for anyone who sits on an "independent" committee - their lives must be 100% squeaky clean or they'll be thrown to the wolves.
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#33 Trojan

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:49 AM

Quoting Churchill is particularly inappropriate given that he tried to control the press and the BBC during the General Strike and also tried to close the fledgiling Daily Herald. I think he also interfered with the Miiror during the war.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:20 AM

churchill was happy to surpress the mdia when it suited him. He even advocated the government taking over the BBC.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:41 AM

That's as maybe, but at least now Lady Annabel Goldsmith, Hugh Grant, Arpad Busson, John Frieda, Alain de Botton can engage in their activities safe from public view, and that's what counts, isn't it? ...and that dreadful Ian Hislop had better watch it , too!!


Is there really a public interest in knowing who Hugh Grant is currently shagging?

#36 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:49 AM

Is there really a public interest in knowing who Hugh Grant is currently shagging?


I'm sure an element of the public is interested, but of course that's not the same thing.

Grant seems to want to be able to control what is said about him in the press. Perhaps it would be a good think ifghemedia would respect his desire for privacy and not bother publishing anything about him at all, whether he wants it published(which I'm sure he will at some point), or not.
It's been said before, but e already have laws to prevent innocent people being harrassed and misrepresentedin the press: all that needs to happen is that they are enforced IMHO
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:29 PM

It's been said before, but e already have laws to prevent innocent people being harrassed and misrepresentedin the press: all that needs to happen is that they are enforced IMHO


We have laws to prevent libel and the collection of information by illegal means.

When it comes to the honesty of the press and the ability to obtain redress (however defined) we have the PCC. Which is controlled by the press and ignored by the press.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:33 PM

We have laws to prevent libel and the collection of information by illegal means.

When it comes to the honesty of the press and the ability to obtain redress (however defined) we have the PCC. Which is controlled by the press and ignored by the press.


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#39 Northern Sol

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:44 PM

I'm sure an element of the public is interested, but of course that's not the same thing.

Grant seems to want to be able to control what is said about him in the press. Perhaps it would be a good think ifghemedia would respect his desire for privacy and not bother publishing anything about him at all, whether he wants it published(which I'm sure he will at some point), or not.
It's been said before, but e already have laws to prevent innocent people being harrassed and misrepresentedin the press: all that needs to happen is that they are enforced IMHO


Indeed and Hugh Grant is able to enforce thse laws because he can afford lawyers. He is not entitled to control what is written about him (unless it is untrue) but it's fair enough to object to how the information was gathered. The media use some pretty nasty techniques that deserve outlawing.

The average Joe Public that accidently finds themselves in a media storm cannot afford to enforce these laws and deserves some kind of protection.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:35 PM

The average Joe Public that accidently finds themselves in a media storm cannot afford to enforce these laws and deserves some kind of protection.


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