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#41 Griff9of13

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:38 PM

That's about the size of it...and much that was announced won't happen until April 2014 in any case. However, I applaud those measures that seek to rebalance the economy as I do the lib-dem policy to raise the personal allowance to £10k,

By why do govts of all flavours have to make things so complicated? And as for the promised investment in infrastructure, what do they mean? I hope its not about recruiting loads of civil servants to tell us that there is no money for infrastructure investment cos its all gone on their wages!


The first thing that usually happens with large government infrastructure programs is that they recruit an army of 'consultants' on a four figure a day rate and stick them in the most expensive office space in London.*





* See CrossRail as an example - there are a few hundred consultant types occupying two floors of the City Group building in Canary Wharf while there are probably acres of free space in government buildings across London, but they don't have a 'cool' address.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:52 PM

Might have mentioned this before, but around 1991, the software company I worked for sold a load of civil engineering software and hardware into the project - possibly via London Underground.and now, 18 years later, work is actually going on!

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:53 PM

I would be genuinely surprised if he had the first clue what he means.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:25 PM

Oh dear: George Obsorne 'wasted Whitehall time and created real economic costs'
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#45 Griff9of13

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:01 AM

Polly Toynbee's view of the budget
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:19 AM

Changes in NI due to the ending of "contracting out" when the new flat rate pension comes in will mean anyone who currently contracts out (including all public sector staff) will have their NI contributions increased from 10.6% to 12%. Strangely, that doesn't seem to have been one of the headline "good news" parts of the budget.

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#47 Matt J

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 04:45 PM

..and you usually have to wait a week or two until someone has gone through the fine print to see where the Treasury has tried to claw things back..and that seems to apply to whichever party is nominally in government.


In terms of the housing benefits changes, I do have some experience, so maybe that might be of value in shedding some much needed light.

Low income families in private rented accommodation have their housing benefit (Local Housing Allowance) assessed on a bedroom basis as it were, no matter how many bedrooms. Thus a married couple are assessed as needing a one bedroom property and the benefit is determined accordingly. The change is to put public sector tenants on exactly the same basis.

What SHOULD happen, of course, the that the councils and housing associations should work with their tenants to more accurately match tenants to properties My daughters ex husband lives alone in a three bedroom council house and has done so for over five years, even though the same council does not have properties for families that need three bedrooms. His parents also live in a three bedroom property when they would be fine in a one bedroom property. However, being state pensioners , they are not affected by the housing benefits changes.

I have long claimed that housing is the UK has been a scandal for half a century and more, not least because owner occupiers of any and all political colours have benefited from soaring house prices and subsidised mortgage rates for years, whilst those in "social" housing are generally and especially now trapped..and the gap gets ever wider.

Under the Blair governments “the number of council sales…dramatically increased and the building of social housing halted. The UK’s population grew 4.41 million under Labour but the number of social homes continued to fall. A socialist (sic) PM did not see fit to invest in social housing.”


We do need more social accommodation in the UK, not to be flogged off but there for everybody who wants/needs it.

Was anything mentioned in rhe budget in regards to climate change and feed in tariffs for renenwable energies?

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:57 PM

Those that slag off Brown, should really take a look at Osborne and really think about their position.

Just because, like many people, you took a pension hit ( an investment that can go up or down) doesn't mean the chancellor of the day got it wrong, it may mean the greedy people at the time got it wrong and, as the chancellor believed, so the other idiots believed, that stock markets and bank profits only go one way.

If you lost out by gambling, live with it, you effin lost, would you go back to the bookmaker and complain you gambled on a nag and it came in last.

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#49 JohnM

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 09:26 PM

Brown was nothing more than a traditional tax and borrow old labour bully boy who did untold damage to this country by his wrong headed polices. abolish boon and bust? What a tosser.As for gambling...yes well, you win some, you lose sum...but when the bookie steals your stake, never mind your winnings, you are entitled to sack him. Good riddance.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 09:44 PM

Brown was nothing more than a traditional tax and borrow old labour bully boy who did untold damage to this country by his wrong headed polices. abolish boon and bust? What a tosser.As for gambling...yes well, you win some, you lose sum...but when the bookie steals your stake, never mind your winnings, you are entitled to sack him. Good riddance.

Brown made the mistake of following previous Tory policies, the only way labour could get into power was to follow the stupid policies of the idiot Tories that went before them.

The mistake they made was in not doing what the Tories have always done to get in power and turn around and do what they really want to do after getting in control.

I hope those that back the bunch of shysters in power now are enjoying the decimation of families around me feel great about it, It must be fantastic to have your political ambitions of retribution exerted on the poor sods who could never have afforded to put money into a massive gambling pension lottery.

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#51 Trojan

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 02:38 PM

Brown made the mistake of following previous Tory policies, the only way labour could get into power was to follow the stupid policies of the idiot Tories that went before them.

The mistake they made was in not doing what the Tories have always done to get in power and turn around and do what they really want to do after getting in control.

I hope those that back the bunch of shysters in power now are enjoying the decimation of families around me feel great about it, It must be fantastic to have your political ambitions of retribution exerted on the poor sods who could never have afforded to put money into a massive gambling pension lottery.

Spot on as usual Padge when you're not talking about RL ;) Brown followed their policies but instead of distributing the proceeds to the fat cats he put them into the much neglected NHS which when Labour came into power in 1997 was virtually on its knees.

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#52 John Rhino

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:15 PM

Spot on as usual Padge when you're not talking about RL ;) Brown followed their policies but instead of distributing the proceeds to the fat cats he put them into the much neglected NHS which when Labour came into power in 1997 was virtually on its knees.


And schools, Most of the schools around Derby were not fit for human habitation when Labour came to power. The biggest mistake they made during their term was to continue the incredibly stupid Private/Public initiative (A John Major initiative?). The private sector ran rings around the government negotiators and we will now pay many times the actual cost for each project.

Always remember one thing though, when Labour lost the last election the economy was still growing at 2% or so. The Tories soon stopped that so the ONLY way left to reduce the deficit is by cutting.

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