Whether a cooperative or not the board is given a mandate by its fans because they are ulitmately the customers... Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the people running the Hornets are the wrong people or even that this is the wrong decision, what i am saying is that I'm staggered that as a fans owned club you didn't have a direct input into what is undoubtedly the biggest decision since you set up as a co-op!
You've got rid of your coach in Stankevitch, installed a Coach who is 'co-incidentally' a full time employee for St Helen's, moved all your training to St Helens training ground, signed a host of ex Saints academy players to Rochdales books, got staff on the day wearing St Helen's branded clothing and then playing whoever Nathan Brown sees fit on match day!!!
And all of this without any kind of vote or discussion on whether its the right thing!!!
Who pays Ian Talbot? Does he get a realistic salary from Rochdale or a token few grand so he can go down as on the books? Who gets the say on which SL players come in and out?
Please, guys - see this for what is..... The whole DR situation is a debacle but the biggest risks here are Hornets and Swinton who are so no engrained with their SL counterparts there is a real real danger that there will be very little left when SL pull out. Training at their grounds, coached by their staff.... A risky situation...
I find it ironic I watched boots and all and the Saints Academy manager says as a club they don't want DR! They want to go back to the way it was. If I was involved with Hornets or Swinton as a fan, I'd be forcing the board to take back the reigns ASAP !!
You are right to say that Ian Talbot is a full time employee for St Helens. But do you actually know what his job entails? I suspect you don't have a clue. But, just to inform you, he is our community coach. He works with all of the schools and amateur clubs in the area to help improve the participation and quality of rugby league in the town. I don't see any conflict at all between this role and the work he does at Rochdale. So what if he still works at Saints?
Regards the issue of training and the decision to move it over to St Helens training ground, let me quote Ian Talbot for you:
"Last year's squad was already largely recruited from the Leigh, Widnes, Warrington, Wigan and St Helens area, so the move made sense".
By having them train at our place does not mean that there is some sort of secret take over plan taking place. It is just a sensible and practical decision. Move on.
You say Rochdale have signed a host of ex Saints academy players to Rochdales books. So what? There are plenty ex Saints academy players playing in the lower divisions. They are now Rochdale players, so whats the problem.
Who pays Ian Talbot? Well, I imagine that Rochdale pay him for the work he does at Rochdale (head coach) and St Helens pay him for the work he does at St Helens (community coach). Simples!!!
You have made a pretty strong and certain statement when you said, and I quote, "playing whoever Nathan Brown sees fit on match day!!!". And then just two paragraphs later, you ask the question "who gets the say on which SL players come in and out?". It seems pretty obvious to me that you don't have a clue what you are talking about and have no evidence to back up your ridiclous statements.
It is easy to understand if you take the time to actually think about it (you should try it sometime). Saints name their 19 man squad on Wednesday's at 2pm. The rest of the first team is then made available for dual registration with either Rochdale or Whitehaven. The coaches (Ian Talbot and Dave Woods) speak with Nathan Brown about who is available. They can then choose who to take. They don't have to take anyone if they don't want. It is their decision. The decisions they make will change week by week. They may have injuries and therefore need cover for specific positions. They may want to play a certain style of play and so therefore require a different type of player.
Like I said, there is no evidence of Nathan Brown picking the Rochdale team or the Whitehaven team. There has been NO take over and there will be NO take over.
Finally, regarding your last point, you seem to have been surprised to hear Mike Rush on Boots 'n' all say that Saints don't want DR. You say we want to go back to the way it was. We never wanted this system in the first place. We voted against it. We haven't changed our mind after a few weeks. How is that ironic?