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The Overseas Quota


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#21 Dave T

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:12 PM

Didn't they look to get round the legalities of banning overseas players by having only 5 'non-fed trained players'?

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:18 PM

Does Sammut still count on the dispensation from the Crusaders fallout? Was it for just one season or the length of the contract? Genuinely don't know


No, but his EU passport means that he is entitled to work in the UK.

He was given some form of additional dispensation by the RFL because of the problems at Bradford - something to do with it being a voluntary cap on fed-trained, but Bradford having no owners at the time meant that he would be getting penalised by not being able to sign (and he couldn't be because of the passport).
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#23 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:16 PM

It's good to see that after 5 years people still don't understand the overseas rules!

You are allowed 5 players that are on the quota (so EU players and Kolpaks don't count).

You are also allowed 5 non-federation trained players (ie players that were trained in another country).

These players can be on one list or both lists, but you can only have 5 on each list.

(e.g. Hame Lauaki would be quota exempt because he's Tongan, but he'd be classed as non-fed).

Then there are the exemptions.
Anyone signed before 2008 is exempt from the non-fed list (as it was deemed unfair that they signed here before these new rulings came in and this would unfairly affect their career choice).
Former Crusaders players from 2011 are exempt so the could find work (to take the bitterness away from the fiasco that was!).

Think that's about it.

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#24 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:35 PM

As for reducing the overseas quota to one... Why?!

I don't understand this logic that people have that the best way to produce players is for them to play in SL and that's it. There is nothing wrong with having overseas players to improve the quality and intensity of the league. That's what will ultimately improve the SL. The NRL has tonnes of Kiwis and other overseas players but it doesn't stop the Aussies being awesome.

SL needs quality, not quantity of players. The issue isn't that we've been signing overseas players. It's been that we've been signing ###### overseas players.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:23 PM

It's good to see that after 5 years people still don't understand the overseas rules!

You are allowed 5 players that are on the quota (so EU players and Kolpaks don't count).

You are also allowed 5 non-federation trained players (ie players that were trained in another country).

These players can be on one list or both lists, but you can only have 5 on each list.

(e.g. Hame Lauaki would be quota exempt because he's Tongan, but he'd be classed as non-fed).

Then there are the exemptions.
Anyone signed before 2008 is exempt from the non-fed list (as it was deemed unfair that they signed here before these new rulings came in and this would unfairly affect their career choice).
Former Crusaders players from 2011 are exempt so the could find work (to take the bitterness away from the fiasco that was!).

Think that's about it.

See. Simple!

I know, I've already said most of that.

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#26 Dave T

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:45 PM

It's good to see that after 5 years people still don't understand the overseas rules!

You are allowed 5 players that are on the quota (so EU players and Kolpaks don't count).

You are also allowed 5 non-federation trained players (ie players that were trained in another country).

These players can be on one list or both lists, but you can only have 5 on each list.

(e.g. Hame Lauaki would be quota exempt because he's Tongan, but he'd be classed as non-fed).

Then there are the exemptions.
Anyone signed before 2008 is exempt from the non-fed list (as it was deemed unfair that they signed here before these new rulings came in and this would unfairly affect their career choice).
Former Crusaders players from 2011 are exempt so the could find work (to take the bitterness away from the fiasco that was!).

Think that's about it.

See. Simple!

so we can have 10 overseas players?
5 aussies, 5 Tongans?
Genuinely thought theyd moved away from overseas players and just had 5 non-fed to simplify this.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:48 PM

so we can have 10 overseas players?
5 aussies, 5 Tongans?
Genuinely thought theyd moved away from overseas players and just had 5 non-fed to simplify this.

5 Aussies are the 5 non-fed trained and the 5 quota.

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#28 hindle xiii

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:53 PM

... doubting myself now. :unsure:

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#29 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:55 PM

so we can have 10 overseas players?
5 aussies, 5 Tongans?
Genuinely thought theyd moved away from overseas players and just had 5 non-fed to simplify this.

If the 5 Aussies are non-fed trained, then yes. But chances are, they won't be! So no.

A player like Joel Monaghan for example would be on both the quota and non-fed lists.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:19 PM

If the 5 Aussies are non-fed trained, then yes. But chances are, they won't be! So no.

A player like Joel Monaghan for example would be on both the quota and non-fed lists.

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#31 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:23 PM

As for reducing the overseas quota to one... Why?!

I don't understand this logic that people have that the best way to produce players is for them to play in SL and that's it. There is nothing wrong with having overseas players to improve the quality and intensity of the league. That's what will ultimately improve the SL. The NRL has tonnes of Kiwis and other overseas players but it doesn't stop the Aussies being awesome.

SL needs quality, not quantity of players. The issue isn't that we've been signing overseas players. It's been that we've been signing ###### overseas players.


It makes me laugh, we have historically low numbers of overseas players and people like Garry Schofield moan about the quality being worse than ever. However, their solution is to give more British players a chance.

They'll get their wish though, the strength of the Aussie dollar and higher cap means Super League is far less attractive than it once was, meaning the quality of imports will inevitably be reduced and that teams will use less of them.