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#41 gingerjon

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:48 PM

2. Because it's Wigan


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:57 PM

not so much explaining Jon, as coping with, 1974 and all that, and you just know that for every gracious Wiganer, there'll be 2 ungracious ones. Although, I have to say, so far it's been more flack from the other CH club fans than Wiganers. Maybe they're as stunned as we are.

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#43 jpmc

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:02 PM

not so much explaining Jon, as coping with, 1974 and all that, and you just know that for every gracious Wiganer, there'll be 2 ungracious ones. Although, I have to say, so far it's been more flack from the other CH club fans than Wiganers. Maybe they're as stunned as we are.


leigh means nothing to wigan

#44 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:52 PM

Well tbh we cant play our first SL game until 2015 anyway and these agreements can be ripped up in the future. If this deal helps Leigh develop for SL 2015 I have no qualms. Otherwise they can naff off to Humbleland.

Several questions:

1/ Will they be helping up out on the marketing and business development side - towards being a fully pro team?
2/ Will they be helping us put together a SL application?
3/ What happens if we play them in the cup?

#45 JohnM

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:00 PM

Good grief! What a miserable load of ......!
1. It's a myth that wiganers hate leighthers.
2. If the CEOs in both clubs are happy, then the fans should be,too.

#46 a.n Other

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:05 PM

Good grief! What a miserable load of ......!
1. It's a myth that wiganers hate leighthers.
2. If the CEOs in both clubs are happy, then the fans should be,too.

2- The CEO's of Sheffield and Huddersfield were happy to merge. Should the Sheffield fans have been happy then?

Just because they have made a decision, this doesn't mean you have to like it, even if there isn't anything you can do about it.

#47 DAZROVER1985

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:13 PM

You must think there's some financial benefit to Leigh otherwise why would they do it

#48 JohnM

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:46 PM

2- The CEO's of Sheffield and Huddersfield were happy to merge. Should the Sheffield fans have been happy then?

Just because they have made a decision, this doesn't mean you have to like it, even if there isn't anything you can do about it.



1. In the year 2013 this is not a merger.
2. Some fans don't like anything, especially things that have not happened yet so they can predict some imagined disaster.
3. Meanwhile, in the real world..

#49 Griff

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:51 PM

2- The CEO's of Sheffield and Huddersfield were happy to merge. Should the Sheffield fans have been happy then?


I don't think they were. :wacko: The major shareholders might have been.
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#50 Keith T

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:54 PM

Has Leigh moved because under the current rules a Super League club may be linked to a second Championship club only if that club is situated in one of the expansion areas such as North east, South West, Midlands, Wales, London, Cumbria?

Wigan already have a partnership with South Wales scorpions and have several players playing for them at present.

Edited by Keith T, 22 March 2013 - 09:54 PM.

I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.


#51 Gav Wilson

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:57 PM

Has Leigh moved because under the current rules a Super League club may be linked to a second Championship club only if that club is situated in one of the expansion areas such as North east, South West, Midlands, Wales, London, Cumbria?

Wigan already have a partnership with South Wales scorpions and have several players playing for them at present.


Just have a little think about what you have just written...
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#52 Dave T

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:57 PM

Has Leigh moved because under the current rules a Super League club may be linked to a second Championship club only if that club is situated in one of the expansion areas such as North east, South West, Midlands, Wales, London, Cumbria?

Wigan already have a partnership with South Wales scorpions and have several players playing for them at present.

so they are partnered with one 'm62' club and one non-heartland club.
Sounds like as you explained.

#53 Keith T

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

No the rule says that they can only link with a second club if THAT CLUB is in one of the expansion areas stated. Have Wigan cancelled their link with South Wales to then make them their second linked club?

I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.


#54 Gav Wilson

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:16 PM

No the rule says that they can only link with a second club if THAT CLUB is in one of the expansion areas stated. Have Wigan cancelled their link with South Wales to then make them their second linked club?


Whats the difference?
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#55 The Future is League

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 12:48 AM

So a summing up. Any promising Leigh junior will be signed by Wigan. Any Wigan fringe first teamers will spend time at Leigh getting match fit and match experience

#56 The Parksider

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 07:32 AM

So a summing up. Any promising Leigh junior will be signed by Wigan. Any Wigan fringe first teamers will spend time at Leigh getting match fit and match experience


Any promising Leigh lads will primarily be spotted by the Superleague scouts at their amateur club before they get to any Leigh junior set up. Leigh as a town produces the odd top class player like Hunslet do but the aim of SL clubs will be to snap them up not wait for them to be developed by "their" ;) local CC club.

This idea that the CC partner is a "feeder" club, is pretty groundless, as the years pass Superleague clubs scout the amateur game directly. Once upon a time Jimmy Lowes and Kelvin Skerrett may have joined Hunslet first, today Carl Ablett and Paul McShane go directly to Leeds academy and would not play for Hunslet until they go over the age limit for the academy and are retained.

The status of the Championship club then becomes not a feeder but in reality an SL under 23 team, or an "A" team if you take older players' The club will try to be all things to all men. They are classed in the PR speak as equal "partners" in an arrangement that suits both and that can as Lobby thinks be "ripped up"once the Leigh club is ready for Superleague in 2015.

But as Blackpool Hawk indicates the underlying (this is all IMHO before the forum lawyers start) fundamental of these arrangements is that the partnership is an economic necessity for the CC club which proves they don't have any money to be even able to afford to have an SL application drawn up, nor do they have a meaningful junior player production line because any player on their books registered to Leigh alone has already been judged as not worthy of an SL place by professional coaches.

This arrangement does not enhance the clubs chances of Superleague, it does not merely temporarily diminish them, it signals a total lack of money (we have been kindly told Warrington turn over 5.5M, we have been told Leigh only spend £235K in wages, so a SKY SL payment of £1.2M leaves the Leigh board a cool £3-4,000,000 A YEAR short of Superleague, worth reading that a few times over until it sinks in regarding the grand canyon style chasm between SL and CC)

It also signals a lack of ambition on the pitch. Whilst the coaches may talk of having "better players" and the need to "win games" to keep fan interest up, the ambition is clearly defined as a desire to be successful in the Championship, not Superleague. Indeed the playing side of things becomes dedicated to their local ex-rival's success in SL.

Leigh have no money and are not looking to develop any SL players, yet still their name is bandied around for Superleague. I suppose this is fair enough, fans often talk of being able to "dream" but the realities become more stark by the day. Fans take solace in the idea that this arrangement is "temporary" and can be "ripped up" and that in any case they are still in solidarity with Featherstone Rovers because they won't play "over 23's". That's OK then move on nothing to see Leigh are still going for SL2015.

The third fundamental will be fan reaction. OK the "fans will never watch Wigan". But as I have found in Leeds that's not the point at all. When you are so far down the order in comparison with your neighbour and rival, and have become subservient in the eyes of the new and casual fan in the wider area, then only the "we'll support you evermore brigade" remain and they die out. Again I stood with 150 fans average age 60 trying to save Hunslet, most notably Leigh's chairman speaks of the ageing demographic of the Leigh fan. No doubt Wigan's season ticket bus will be parking up in Leigh this autumn.

Leighs second place finish last year saw crowds react to a great seson by dropping from 2250 to 1700. Quite the reverse direction to the Superleague crowd criteria. Will Wigan starlets boost the crowds? Well if Hunslet are anyone to go by last year we had a number of 400 crowds. Boosted by half a team of Leeds stars we are still able to get 400 crowds. The blind optimist in us may say that the dual registration partnership has arrested the decline, and therefore the only way is up - Superleague here we come.

Ripped up DR's all round.....

#57 sweaty craiq

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:41 AM

The CEO is a political animal, ex police, and lives and breathes Wigan MBC. He talks a lot about Wigan MBC in the text. LSV answer to WMBC and he seems to be targeting WMBC for grants. May be a link.......

#58 marklaspalmas

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 09:08 AM

Disappointingly accurate stuff Parky.

 

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#59 Griff

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 09:43 AM

No the rule says that they can only link with a second club if THAT CLUB is in one of the expansion areas stated. Have Wigan cancelled their link with South Wales to then make them their second linked club?


The order's important then, is it ?

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#60 bobbruce

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 10:21 AM

No the rule says that they can only link with a second club if THAT CLUB is in one of the expansion areas stated. Have Wigan cancelled their link with South Wales to then make them their second linked club?


There must of been a changed to the rules aren't Saints linked to two clubs and neither are in expansion areas. Unless you count Cumbria as one.