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Super XIII - Is It Still Happening in France?


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#21 audois

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:01 PM

How many current Elite clubs have a realistic chance of running a sustainable and competitive SL club though if they had some funding?

Carcassonne, Limoux and Lezignan are within 30mins of each other and are pretty small individually but share an area of 300,000 people. Maybe a chance for them if they pool their resources together like was rumoured previously.

Toulouse is a no-brainier. Huge area. Big history.

Avignon is a fair sized area, and they've shown they can back big games.

Villeneuve is another small town but sits in a fair sized department on their own from other RL towns in France.

Lescure D'Albigeois again is a other small town, but Tarn is a big place and not too close to Toulouse. There's Albi on their doorstep as well.

Pia are on the doorstep of Catalans, in a village with only 7,000 residents. Then there's also UTC who are the Catalans' feeder club.

So 5 possible clubs there in Toulouse, Aude (Carcassonne, Limoux, Lezignan), Tarn (Lescures), Avignon and Villeneuve from the Elite 1. In Elite 2, they're all pretty much in these areas other than Lyon, so maybe 6 clubs from traditional areas. Not really enough to create a league so you'd always have to look to new areas.


Got a pretty good grasp on things there.

For the moment they wont touch the Aude I think because its in the Dragons catchment area.

Toulouse would be looking to the Tarn and Albi for its support. Albi pulled 10,000 for the Wales European Cup match a couple of seasons back. Also would attract people further west towards Villeneuve and may be as far as Bordeaux. I saw a match against GB in Agen in 2002 with 10,000 present. So there's potential there.

Avignon is the best bet after Toulouse. Vaucluse has what 400,000 population. There is no top class union or soccer in that department and of course the local Parc der Sports will host the NZ world cup game in November after attracting 16,000 against England two years back. Sporting Olympique Avignon have only been back in the top division for 3 years and have reached the final of the Lord Derby Coupe which they havent won since 1989. They also have decent Juniors providing half of the national team which played England Schools last year.

Zalduendo the French President is keen I think to get St Gaudens back in after folding two years back after being Champions of Elite 1 only eight years ago. If that happens then some joined up thinking in the Tarn could work with an entente between Lescure, Albi and Realmont forming a UTT - union treize tarnais like what happened in Perpignan with Catalans.

The other good piece of news is that there appears some thing at long last coming out of Roanne - once one of the best clubs in France. They nearly disappeared but now doing well back in National 1 - 3rd tier and qualified for the this years play offs.

The two best sides outside Elite 1 are probably Baho and Palau two villages at the side of Perpignan who are presently holding down first two places on the Elite 2 ladder. Palau have two young lads there playing well below what they capable of - half back Marginet was playing in Super League two seasons back but as a club have no structure whereas Baho do. But the Federation dont want either I think. They want a bigger foot print and would love to see the likes of Roanne and Lyon back up there.

If they ever got Toulouse and Avignon playing Super League alongside Catalans that would have some chance of making a break through over here. It could create six French derbys and that could make the media sit up.

Edited by audois, 25 March 2013 - 09:12 PM.

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#22 oiseau

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 06:17 AM

What happened to Bein Sport's interest? Is it still there?

What clubs were they looking at to join the league, and which ones were realistic?


current negotiating with Bein Sports involves the proposed entry into SL of Toulouse - both clubs plus Carlos and his team are concentrating their efforts on negotiating a joint Catalans/TO13 tv bi. This tv deal is a crucial factor in the RFLs talks with Toulouse it seems. Building work is due to start soon at Stade des Minimes with the first phase due to be completed for the start of the TO13s entry into SL in 2015

The league was always going to be a bit pie in the sky though it does remain a priority for Carlos to eventually bring about a complete restructuring of the french domestic game - he has the support of some powerful figures but again, a suitable tv deal is an important factor in any future plans

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:26 AM

I think that a full time pro-team in Strasbourg is ESSENTIAL. Nothing to do with the fact that I live an hour or so down the road...

#24 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:40 AM

So the order of preference to entering SL appears to be...
1. Toulouse
2. Avignon
3. Villeneuve/Bordeaux
4. Aude

Would be great to get more French teams in. It's just crucial to get a TV deal arranges to make it happen. It would tap into a huge source if income if it worked.
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#25 Pottsy

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:15 AM

The Aude is probably my favourite location in France so would be my preference after Toulouse (an absolute necessity).

Once they do admit a second (and hopefully third) French franchise, I really hope they think really carefully about the fixture format.

Wherever possible, English clubs should play their away trips in France on consecutive weeks ( eg, Catalans one week, Toulouse the next). This would help with the logistics of the traveling teams but would also encourage more fans to make the costly trip over (ie, you get a weeks holiday and get to see your team play two games in France).

It would also benefit the French sides and improve their preparation for away games. Win-win.

#26 audois

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:34 AM

The Aude is probably my favourite location in France so would be my preference after Toulouse (an absolute necessity).

Once they do admit a second (and hopefully third) French franchise, I really hope they think really carefully about the fixture format.

Wherever possible, English clubs should play their away trips in France on consecutive weeks ( eg, Catalans one week, Toulouse the next). This would help with the logistics of the traveling teams but would also encourage more fans to make the costly trip over (ie, you get a weeks holiday and get to see your team play two games in France).

It would also benefit the French sides and improve their preparation for away games. Win-win.


Thats often been mentioned. Its tough at the moment with fewer fans travelling over the Channel but long term the idea of sides having their annual French Tour taking in two matches on successive weekends could be a major feature each season.
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#27 audois

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:42 AM

So the order of preference to entering SL appears to be...
1. Toulouse
2. Avignon
3. Villeneuve/Bordeaux
4. Aude

Would be great to get more French teams in. It's just crucial to get a TV deal arranges to make it happen. It would tap into a huge source if income if it worked.


Wellsy - As I've said those four locations you've mentioned have each drawn 10,000 crowds for either cup finals or test matches in recent times. Certainly Toulouse and Avignon have different markets to tap into the latter 3 hours by train from Perpignan. It would give the game in France a much bigger foot print. The key could well be Bein Sport who presently cover all the Catalans home games. Fingers crossed.
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"It involves matters much greater than drafting the new rules...the original and existing games have their own powerful appeal to their players and public and have the sentiments which history inspires"
Harold 'Jersey' Flegg 1933

#28 Bulliac

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:14 AM

The Aude is probably my favourite location in France so would be my preference after Toulouse (an absolute necessity).

Once they do admit a second (and hopefully third) French franchise, I really hope they think really carefully about the fixture format.

Wherever possible, English clubs should play their away trips in France on consecutive weeks ( eg, Catalans one week, Toulouse the next). This would help with the logistics of the traveling teams but would also encourage more fans to make the costly trip over (ie, you get a weeks holiday and get to see your team play two games in France).

It would also benefit the French sides and improve their preparation for away games. Win-win.


I can certainly live with that.. B)
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#29 The Daddy_merged

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:14 PM

Got a pretty good grasp on things there.

For the moment they wont touch the Aude I think because its in the Dragons catchment area.

Toulouse would be looking to the Tarn and Albi for its support. Albi pulled 10,000 for the Wales European Cup match a couple of seasons back. Also would attract people further west towards Villeneuve and may be as far as Bordeaux. I saw a match against GB in Agen in 2002 with 10,000 present. So there's potential there.

Avignon is the best bet after Toulouse. Vaucluse has what 400,000 population. There is no top class union or soccer in that department and of course the local Parc der Sports will host the NZ world cup game in November after attracting 16,000 against England two years back. Sporting Olympique Avignon have only been back in the top division for 3 years and have reached the final of the Lord Derby Coupe which they havent won since 1989. They also have decent Juniors providing half of the national team which played England Schools last year.

Zalduendo the French President is keen I think to get St Gaudens back in after folding two years back after being Champions of Elite 1 only eight years ago. If that happens then some joined up thinking in the Tarn could work with an entente between Lescure, Albi and Realmont forming a UTT - union treize tarnais like what happened in Perpignan with Catalans.

The other good piece of news is that there appears some thing at long last coming out of Roanne - once one of the best clubs in France. They nearly disappeared but now doing well back in National 1 - 3rd tier and qualified for the this years play offs.

The two best sides outside Elite 1 are probably Baho and Palau two villages at the side of Perpignan who are presently holding down first two places on the Elite 2 ladder. Palau have two young lads there playing well below what they capable of - half back Marginet was playing in Super League two seasons back but as a club have no structure whereas Baho do. But the Federation dont want either I think. They want a bigger foot print and would love to see the likes of Roanne and Lyon back up there.

If they ever got Toulouse and Avignon playing Super League alongside Catalans that would have some chance of making a break through over here. It could create six French derbys and that could make the media sit up.


Of course Toulouse and Avignon would be the next options for SL, but you cannot underestimate the Aquitaine region. Villenueve sits within the same catchment area as Agen in Lot-et-Garonne which is fairly large and as you've mentioned 10,000 paying fans turned up for a test against GB a few years back. The Stade Armandie is just down the road and is perfect for an Aquitaine Super League rugby team.

#30 Phil

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:14 PM

Can't say I'm easy with the mayor of lezignan not allowing the creation of a union team, could you imagine the outcry if a mayor refused the creation of a league team in any other village/town and city?


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#31 superten

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:47 PM

would go with an 8 team league of Avignon, Bordeaux, Carcassonne, Grenoble, Marseille, Montpellier, Perpignan and Toulouse.All these places have some rugby league history. Play each other three times for 21 rounds with one being a magic week end giving each team 10 home games. Top four make the play offs 1 v 4 and 2 v 3 .
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 02:00 PM

If three or four French teams enter SL does this mean three or four British teams are removed? This would seem to be a very drastic pruning of SL, some of which clubs re making significant progress ( Salford,Hull KR) to be replaced with French teams that are no means guaranteed to be any more successful than those British teams they replace and who might not be much of a draw to british spectators. A French conference as part of SL however could be successful if the money could be found.

#33 Henson Park Old Firm

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 11:22 PM

Bbring back Paris Saint Germain RL, (loved there jersey)

#34 The Parksider

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 08:24 AM

If three or four French teams enter SL does this mean three or four British teams are removed? This would seem to be a very drastic pruning of SL, some of which clubs re making significant progress ( Salford,Hull KR) to be replaced with French teams that are no means guaranteed to be any more successful than those British teams they replace and who might not be much of a draw to british spectators. A French conference as part of SL however could be successful if the money could be found.


We've been at this Superleague thing 17 years and some clubs are still making "significant progress"??.

Sadly only certain clubs have sorted themselves out into fully pro outfits, and London aren't one of them.

If London go I can't see a retreat to the M62, as Canetman says the bullet may be bit and Toulouse come in without a TV deal.

It's all about money (yawn I know) but if you read the posts above France has a lot of paying spectators to capture, and if the game turns round there it has an International opposition to offer GB, and a second major player pool.

That's the prize, the cost will be thinning out clubs along the M62 and whilst the exit of a couple may be VERY sad I know their near Neighbours won't mind picking up a few more resources for themselves.

Will a move to an Anglo French competition work? Well we'll see in 17 years time when we may be beset with just as many problems only different ones!!




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