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Do Warrington represent Cheshire in Rugby League?


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#21 Bostik Bailey

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 06:45 PM

What's the Cheshire Set?

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#22 longboard

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:17 PM

The 1974 act only changed some towns for administative purposes.
Geographically Warrington and Barrow in Furness are still part of the Lancashire County Palatine.
The act is specific in that.


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#23 gingerjon

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:41 AM

This is only ceremonially speaking of course; Warrington is a local authority in its own right.


The 1974 act only changed some towns for administative purposes.
Geographically Warrington and Barrow in Furness are still part of the Lancashire County Palatine.
The act is specific in that.


The County Borough of Warrington existed from 1900-1974.
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#24 John Rhino

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 04:42 PM

The Cheshire Set are a bunch of ex-scouse ex-manc former criminals how have made loads of money and now want to pretend they live I the south east, but need to stay close to their legit sources of income.


County Palatine was a district on the periphery of the kingdom, at a time when the district was at risk from disloyal armed insurgents who could retreat beyond the borders and re-enter. For the English sovereign in Norman times this applied to northern England, Wales and Ireland. Wiki.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:16 PM

the traditional boundary between gods county and cheshire is the river mersey, halfway across the widnes/runcorn bridge is the marker for the actual boundary. and no widnes isn't in cheshire either the same as sthelens isn't in bloody mersyside...............
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#26 chuffer

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 06:01 PM

Warrington is not in Cheshire any more.


I lived there until 1998 and it was at that point......ok, the council was Warrinton Borough Council but all our post came in addressed as......Warrington, Cheshire......cop cars were all Cheshire Constabulary......so what changed and when?

#27 Methven Hornet

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:47 AM

The Lieutenancies Act 1997 defines modern counties and the local government areas contained within each.


Lieutenancies Act 1997

c23 Section 1

1 Lieutenancies in Great Britain.

(1) A lord-lieutenant shall be appointed by Her Majesty for each county in England, each county in Wales and each area in Scotland (other than the cities of Aberdeen, Dundee, Edinburgh and Glasgow).

(2) The Lord Provost of each of the cities of Aberdeen, Dundee, Edinburgh and Glasgow is, by virtue of his office, lord-lieutenant for that city.

(3) Her Majesty may appoint lieutenants (in addition to the lord-lieutenant) for any county or area.

(4) Schedule 1 to this Act (which identifies the areas which are counties in England and Wales and areas in Scotland for the purposes of the lieutenancies) shall have effect; and in this Act “county” and “area” shall be construed accordingly.
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[The aforementioned Section 1]


SCHEDULE 1




Counties and areas for the purposes of the lieutenancies in Great Britain






Preliminary



1The provisions of this Schedule identify the areas which constitute counties in England, counties in Wales or areas in Scotland for the purposes of the lieutenancies in Great Britain.



Counties in England



2 The counties in England for the purposes of this Act are—

a) Greater London (excluding the City of London);

b} the areas which are to be regarded as counties for those purposes by virtue of paragraph 3; and

c) any other areas in England which are counties for the purposes of the M1Local Government Act 1972.


3 The local government areas (or parts of local government areas) described in each entry in the second column of the following Table shall be regarded for the purposes of this Act as one county to be known by the name specified in the first column.


Table

County for the purposes of this Act ==> Local government areas

Bedfordshire ==> Bedfordshire and Luton
Buckinghamshire ==> Buckinghamshire and Milton Keynes
Cambridgeshire ==> Cambridgeshire and Peterborough
Cheshire ==> Cheshire, Halton and Warrington
Derbyshire ==> Derbyshire and Derby


Amendment in 2009

In The Local Government (Structural Changes) (Miscellaneous Amendments and Other Provision) Order 2009, No.837, Part 3, Article 10, in the second column of the table in paragraph 3 (see above):-

for “Cheshire” (against the entry “Cheshire” in the first column) (2) substitute “Cheshire East, Cheshire West and Chester,”

Therefore the county of Cheshire, as it exists in this moment in time in statute, consists of
Cheshire East, Cheshire West and Chester, Halton and Warringtom.

So Warrington, and any town in Halton for that matter, is currently in Cheshire.

Edited by Methven Hornet, 26 March 2013 - 11:47 AM.

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#28 Bleep1673

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:41 PM

Take a look here: http://en.wikipedia....ngle_(Cheshire)

Whereas this will tell you more about Warrington: http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Warrington

Those know-nothings in London back in the 1970s had no idea how to draw county boundaries in the north. They stuck Warrington in Cheshire because it (wisely) did not want to be part of Merseyside when it's right beside the Mersey and so should have been in Merseyside (a county which no longer exists except in the mind of certain local politicians and the BBC) but in fact was, like its near neighbours St Helens, Widnes and Wigan, historically in Lancashire and so should have stayed there (as should St Helens, Widnes and Wigan).


Does that make Stockport in Merseyside, as the River runs through the town centre?

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#29 Jonty

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:12 PM

Wilderspool was never in the County Palatine of Lancashire as it lay south of the Mersey, but north of the Ship Canal. In 1889 the area immediately around Wilderspool became part of administrative Lancashire with the boundary moving one mile south.

So, when Wilderpool was built and it became home to Warrington, it was indeed in Cheshire. The HJ Stadium is firmly in Palatinate Lancashire. I got funny looks at work once for writing the office address as Lancashire and not Cheshire.

It's all irrelevant anyway. I'm from Ulverston and I'd never consider myself Lancastrian.

Edited by Jonty, 26 March 2013 - 10:13 PM.

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#30 goldcoaster

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:47 AM

Lets not have another 'Salford is not in Manchester' debate. Those in denial probably also claim Buckingham palace isn't in London, it's in Westminster. While that fact is true, try telling that to the 6 billion other people in the world who know it is in London.
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