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If you don't pay the full cap you can't be in SL.


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#81 Padge

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:43 PM

There seems to be this misconception that the salary cap is £1.65m and totally inflexible, but in actual fact if you study the salary cap rules then its perfectly possible (and legal) for some clubs to already be paying at least £500k more than that to players.

On top of the basic £1.65m (which doesn't include National Insurance either) there are several other ways that clubs can pay the players...

1. Appearance Bonuses - if clubs pay their players appearance money on top of their contract money then only 18 games count towards the cap, therefore clubs can pay appearance money for the other 9 SL games and other salary cap relevant games (e.g. Challenge Cup, Play Offs etc) outside of the cap

2. Win Bonuses - as above but only 14 winning games count towards the cap, anything in excess of that is excluded

3. Prize Money - if a club pays a share of prize money from SL, Challenge Cup, World Club Challenge to its players then that is exempt from the cap

4. Challenge Cup - only QF, SF and Final are counted as salary cap relevant games so effectively the clubs can pay what they like to players in rounds 4 and 5.

5. Long service - there is a £50k dispensation for any club with players with more than 10 years service

6. Internationals - each club is allowed to deduct an amount from the salary cap spend each time a player they developed in their academy is picked to represent their country, up to a maximum of £100k per season. The player doesn't even have to be at their club anymore - e.g. if Westerman was picked for England then Cas would get the exemption and not Hull.

So its not as black and white as some seem to think. There are some top clubs who could quite easily be paying 30-40% over the "cap" as it stands.


You forgot to mention that London and Catalan automatically get the full International weighting.

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#82 DeadShotKeen

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:47 PM

No rich money man will plow millions into a club with no fans.


Heard of Dr Koukash?

A London SL club in a franchised era is a much more enticing proposition than the same club 10 years ago. RL is entering - or at least tentatively attempting to do so - a new era.

#83 DeadShotKeen

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:03 PM

Ah I see reading on that others have made the same point as me. Jumping the gun there. As you were....

#84 Bulliac

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:04 PM

Heard of Dr Koukash?

A London SL club in a franchised era is a much more enticing proposition than the same club 10 years ago. RL is entering - or at least tentatively attempting to do so - a new era.

That's probably correct, and the only real caveat to your thoughts would be that RL has been 'tentatively entering a new era' for the last 110 years and doesn't always make a lot of headway.
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#85 Northern Sol

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:52 PM

The people of London don't want union, how many top flight clubs from union are in London.


They do want RU, the London clubs just don't own suitable stadiums in London.

Plenty of money men throw money at clubs with no fans or not enough to cover anywhere near the costs, A certain Doctor has just started. I believe someone in Featherstone is doing it, As for soccer it seems they can't waste enough money on buying and paying players far more than the number of supporters they get through the gate could ever sustain.




Money men have always had a fascination with throwing money at sport,


True, but they tend to either like sides with a long history or ones that they create and mould. Few seem to like investing in clubs with neither history nor community unless it's their club from the get-go.

#86 deluded pom?

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:41 PM

There seems to be this misconception that the salary cap is £1.65m and totally inflexible, but in actual fact if you study the salary cap rules then its perfectly possible (and legal) for some clubs to already be paying at least £500k more than that to players.

On top of the basic £1.65m (which doesn't include National Insurance either) there are several other ways that clubs can pay the players...

1. Appearance Bonuses - if clubs pay their players appearance money on top of their contract money then only 18 games count towards the cap, therefore clubs can pay appearance money for the other 9 SL games and other salary cap relevant games (e.g. Challenge Cup, Play Offs etc) outside of the cap

2. Win Bonuses - as above but only 14 winning games count towards the cap, anything in excess of that is excluded

3. Prize Money - if a club pays a share of prize money from SL, Challenge Cup, World Club Challenge to its players then that is exempt from the cap

4. Challenge Cup - only QF, SF and Final are counted as salary cap relevant games so effectively the clubs can pay what they like to players in rounds 4 and 5.

5. Long service - there is a £50k dispensation for any club with players with more than 10 years service

6. Internationals - each club is allowed to deduct an amount from the salary cap spend each time a player they developed in their academy is picked to represent their country, up to a maximum of £100k per season. The player doesn't even have to be at their club anymore - e.g. if Westerman was picked for England then Cas would get the exemption and not Hull.

So its not as black and white as some seem to think. There are some top clubs who could quite easily be paying 30-40% over the "cap" as it stands.

Is there a limit to the amount of money clubs can pay players for the games that don't count on the SC? Theoretically, could Salford sign Jonathon Thurston on an average SL contract but ensure it gets topped up by an extra £500,000 (for a number) over the course of the extra unaudited games?

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#87 Dave T

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:54 PM

Is there a limit to the amount of money clubs can pay players for the games that don't count on the SC? Theoretically, could Salford sign Jonathon Thurston on an average SL contract but ensure it gets topped up by an extra £500,000 (for a number) over the course of the extra unaudited games?

i was thinking along these lines - i assume that you can only pay players the same as what you pay for each sc game.

#88 deluded pom?

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:58 PM

i was thinking along these lines - i assume that you can only pay players the same as what you pay for each sc game.

Maybe so Dave but what about win bonuses? Do clubs have to lodge details with the SL of how much they are paying as a win bonus? What about the Challenge Cup games? Salford could offer Thurston a half a mill for as little as one Cup game per season as long as he sees the rest of his contract out. Strange carry on.

Edited by deluded pom?, 28 March 2013 - 06:59 PM.

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