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Yorkshire v Lancashire instead of England v The Exiles


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#1 Duff Duff

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:46 PM

I was just wondering what people's thoughts area both replacing the England v the Exiles game with a return to Yorkshire v Lancashire matches?

As things stand the Exiles games are little more than friendlies with little bite or motivation and in no way bear any resemblance to Test matches against Australia or New Zealand.

Wouldn't putting the best 26 players that England has to offer on a pitch to slug it out be a better way of preparing the England team for Test Matches against Australia and New Zealand than having the national team play uncompetitive exhibition matches against a bunch of has been players who don't really care?

Any thoughts? Or do people still think Wigan playing St Helens five times a year is the way forward?

#2 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:47 PM

What about players from outside Yorkshire and lancashire?
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:49 PM

Totally agree but the problem is would Wire fans cheer for Hock and Tomkins? Bradford fans cheer for JJB and Bailey? Far too much emphasis on club loyalties amongst many fans when it comes to the bigger picture and International trials

#4 Viking Ste

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:49 PM

What about players from outside Yorkshire and lancashire?


They can play amongst themselves Cumbria v Wales

#5 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:51 PM

They can play amongst themselves Cumbria v Wales

Go on then,what about players from London?
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#6 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:52 PM

Have people forgotten the last time we did this? It was pretty much the same as the Exiles but with lower crowds.

It didn't work and tbh never really has. It isn't helped by the fact that there are almost no clubs technically still in Lancashire. People of my generation have next to no loyalty to Lancashire regardless of what our elders say. I don't feel a passion for Cheshire but I also don't feel Lancastrian (?) in any way.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:56 PM

Go on then,what about players from London?


They wouldn't have 17 players able to compete with Lancs/Yorks, until they do, there's no point.

We don't need to try and include everyone, just get some bloody good games of Rugby played For now and the near future, that's Lancs v Yorks

#8 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:58 PM

They wouldn't have 17 players able to compete with Lancs/Yorks, until they do, there's no point.

We don't need to try and include everyone, just get some bloody good games of Rugby played For now and the near future, that's Lancs v Yorks

Who said anything about 17,should players from outside these 2 areas be excluded.After all the game is played outside of Yorkshire and lancashire.
The "roses" games were poorly supported in the past,that's hardly likely to change.
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#9 YCKonstantine

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:07 PM

Who said anything about 17,should players from outside these 2 areas be excluded.After all the game is played outside of Yorkshire and lancashire.
The "roses" games were poorly supported in the past,that's hardly likely to change.

What about players outside of NSW and QLD in Australia? The game is played outside those areas, the world club champions are from Victoria!

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#10 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:09 PM

What about players outside of NSW and QLD in Australia? The game is played outside those areas, the world club champions are from Victoria!

True but SOO is very well supported,Yorkshire v lancashire wasn't.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:24 PM

Why does it have to be 'instead of' something, why not do it as well?
Something like the Exiles game needs a good few years to bed in, rather than a knee-jerk reaction after only 2 years.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:30 PM

I'm sorry Yorkshire but no one other than yourselves cares about the county they are from. People move areas so often that they bear little allegiance to their original area, maybe the town holds some resonance but not the county. How about doing something long term, forward thinking and play internationals against other European sides or even touring sides from out of Europe. It will pay dividends eventually if we stick with it.
Rugby League is a sport that desperately needs to expand its geographical supporter base and its player base. This imperative means that all other requirements are secondary until this is done.

All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies.

Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.

#13 Duff Duff

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:40 PM

Well it works in amateur Rugby League and cricket.

I just feel a proper Test trial with English players on both sides would be the better than uncompetitive friendlies against the Exiles.

If Rugby League supporters are too myopic to go and watch their own club's player to represent their part of the country then we might as well give up trying to raise the profile of the sport.

Again Wigan playing St Helens 5 times a year isn't doing the trick at the moment.

#14 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:02 PM

Well it works in amateur Rugby League and cricket.

I just feel a proper Test trial with English players on both sides would be the better than uncompetitive friendlies against the Exiles.

If Rugby League supporters are too myopic to go and watch their own club's player to represent their part of the country then we might as well give up trying to raise the profile of the sport.

Again Wigan playing St Helens 5 times a year isn't doing the trick at the moment.


Again are you ignoring the fact that we have tried it before and that it failed miserably? How about the fact that there are almost no clubs in Lancashire?

Setting up a false dichotomy doesn't help your argument either.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 10:06 PM

F"ck em...

We'll take you all on.

Yorkshire v everyone else! :D

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#16 Saint Billinge

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 10:17 PM

I was just wondering what people's thoughts area both replacing the England v the Exiles game with a return to Yorkshire v Lancashire matches?

As things stand the Exiles games are little more than friendlies with little bite or motivation and in no way bear any resemblance to Test matches against Australia or New Zealand.

Wouldn't putting the best 26 players that England has to offer on a pitch to slug it out be a better way of preparing the England team for Test Matches against Australia and New Zealand than having the national team play uncompetitive exhibition matches against a bunch of has been players who don't really care?

Any thoughts? Or do people still think Wigan playing St Helens five times a year is the way forward?


The game would be going backwards. We are trying to expand not shrink, although outside of club level it seems uphill no matter what is tried!

Edited by Saint Billinge, 29 March 2013 - 10:19 PM.


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Posted 29 March 2013 - 10:51 PM

Cricket has always been played as county sides, hence you are not trying to get fans to care about a new entity they feel no allegiance to. The raison d'etre of amateur rl is not to attract crowds it is to encourage participation
Rugby League is a sport that desperately needs to expand its geographical supporter base and its player base. This imperative means that all other requirements are secondary until this is done.

All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies.

Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.

#18 Duff Duff

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 10:59 PM

Was it really given a chance last time? How long did it last for? 2 years?

The problem is that as things stand the Super League, squirrelled away on Sky TV, fails to attract the interest of those outside the sport and makes little impression on the general sporting public. To achieve that recognition and media profile something else needs to be offered. Competitive representative games that actually mean something and have the ability of appealing to non-rugby league supporters.

If club supporters are unwilling to support any other entity other than their club then any hope of expanding the sport is doomed to failure. Cricket, rugby union and in the main soccer fans don't solely support their club sides to the expense of everything else.

I can't see how the England v Exiles games can ever be anything more than an exhibition because the Exiles have very little to play for. No national pride, no chance of career advancement and history. A nice exhibition but not preparation for playing the Australians.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 11:09 PM

Why does it have to be 'instead of' something, why not do it as well?
Something like the Exiles game needs a good few years to bed in, rather than a knee-jerk reaction after only 2 years.


It wouldn't be rugby league if we didn't give up on something after two or three years... or moan about it.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 11:49 PM

The Exiles concept is fatally flawed, the player quality coming over from Down Under is no longer sufficient to offer a suitable test for the England team and it's only going to get worse.

I'd very much support a Roses clash if it were done properly with the authorities imposing strict sanctions on clubs or players not playing ball.

Lancashire (old boundries) + 2 guest players from the South
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Yorkshire + 2 guest players from further North