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#361 Phil

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:44 PM

I think this is an excellent piece by Mark Steel

 

 

http://www.independe...ad-8568785.html


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:45 PM

Enough!  This is going the way of many threads in the past when it's full of thinly disguised personal digs.

 

Stop now, please and keep on topic without the digs.


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#363 Northern Sol

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:50 PM

@Martyn Sadler

 

Perhaps you right about misogyny. Glenda Jackson was embarrassing when she tried to suggest that Thatcher wasn't a woman. 



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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:56 PM

Enough!  This is going the way of many threads in the past when it's full of thinly disguised personal digs.

 

Stop now, please and keep on topic without the digs.

 

 

Enough!  This is going the way of many threads in the past when it's full of thinly disguised personal digs.

 

Stop now, please and keep on topic without the digs.

I'm sorry craig but I disagree

 

its your call of course


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#365 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:59 PM

@Martyn Sadler

 

Perhaps you right about misogyny. Glenda Jackson was embarrassing when she tried to suggest that Thatcher wasn't a woman. 

 

 

@Martyn Sadler

 

Perhaps you right about misogyny. Glenda Jackson was embarrassing when she tried to suggest that Thatcher wasn't a woman. 

to be fair she didn't say that

she said she wasn't a woman on her terms.

 

Jackson's speech at least showed a bit of moral courage amongst all the ass kissing. Rifkind was particularly Uriah Heepish


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#366 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:03 PM

My bad.  I misread the post of yours that I originally replied to.  I thought you said that you had not experienced life under Thatcher, but in fact you were positing on behalf of those who had not experienced it.

 






Are you saying that because I wasn't alive during World War One and World War Two then it should have no impact emotionally on me or other people?

No.  I am saying that you cannot reflect on an experience that does not happen to you, at least not in the context of a discussion like this.  I do not know what it was like to experience life in the 1930s and therefore I cannot reflect upon experience of life in the 1930s.  However, obviously I can reflect upon what I see on TV or read or listen to, ie someone else's narrative.


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#367 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:08 PM

I think this is an excellent piece by Mark Steel

 

 

http://www.independe...ad-8568785.html

excellent

 

should be thrown in jail for having such thoughts.


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#368 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:08 PM

as a former teacher I find it worrying that a member of my profession knows, understands, or feels nothing about such major events in fairly recent history events that shaped our lives to this day, events that are referred to visually when you walk the streets of almost any town, events that will one way or other have affected the lives of members of her family and community deeply only a generation or two ago
Such lack of curiosity and empathy from someone who's job it is to inspire those very things is very sad

I would like to know how you know with such certainty that I know, understand or feel nothing about major events in history.  Exactly where have we discussed major events in history?  Exactly when have feelings been discussed?  And what do you know about my teaching?  And on what basis do you accuse me of having no curiosity or empathy?

 

No matter.  The questions were rhetorical.  You have no idea about me at all.



#369 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:10 PM

to be fair she didn't say that

she said she wasn't a woman on her terms.

 

Jackson's speech at least showed a bit of moral courage amongst all the ass kissing. Rifkind was particularly Uriah Heepish

It was still embarrassing.



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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:10 PM

excellent

 

should be thrown in jail for having such thoughts.

 

 

They're pretty mild compared to some that have been aired


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:12 PM

Discussing the Second World War, I know of an Austrian who lived through it and refuses to this day to visit Germany. For some, the hurt runs too deep with time no healer. Love her or hate her, Margaret Thatcher has certainly left her mark across the globe, and no doubt will still be reviled by some in decades to come. 



#372 Bostik Bailey

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:13 PM


Such lack of curiosity and empathy from someone who's job it is to inspire those very things is very sad


A few months back me and you (i think it was you) had a bit of a disagreement (well ding dong) over this very point. I made this point that there are many teachers with this attitude.

Anyway best to call time on this and move the debate on

#373 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:15 PM

A few months back me and you (i think it was you) had a bit of a disagreement (well ding dong) over this very point. I made this point that there are many teachers with this attitude.

Anyway best to call time on this and move the debate on

Another thinly veiled personal insult?

 

Have we met?  Because I'm sure we haven't.  Until we have, or at least until you attempt to explore my teaching ethos and practices, your thinly veiled insult doesn't actually bear any credibility in relation to me.



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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:17 PM

My bad.  I misread the post of yours that I originally replied to.  I thought you said that you had not experienced life under Thatcher, but in fact you were positing on behalf of those who had not experienced it.

 

No.  I am saying that you cannot reflect on an experience that does not happen to you, at least not in the context of a discussion like this.  I do not know what it was like to experience life in the 1930s and therefore I cannot reflect upon an experience of life in the 1930s.  However, obviously I can reflect upon what I see on TV or read or listen to, ie someone else's narrative.

well for a start it isn't for you to say what a person can or can't 'reflect on' whatever that means. Reflecting on my forbears experience in the two most cataclysmic events in modern world history  the effects  of which are felt to this day is considered by you not to be valid or meaningful: I find that reprehensible and intellectually bankrupt. 


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:18 PM

This thread is getting too personal.

 

Even from the grave, she's dividing the workers.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:18 PM

Discussing the Second World War, I know of an Austrian who lived through it and refuses to this day to visit Germany. For some, the hurt runs too deep with time no healer. Love her or hate her, Margaret Thatcher has certainly left her mark across the globe, and no doubt will still be reviled by some in decades to come. 

Well, it's no wonder really, is it.  If you'd experienced the death camps or watched copious numbers of your friends die horrible deaths or indeed caused horrible deaths to your contemporary enemy, it could well be a real struggle to return to the site of the horror.  However, Margaret Thatcher did not actually do any of those things so to compare the two is simply hyperbole.



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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:19 PM

It was still embarrassing.

 

 

I would like to know how you know with such certainty that I know, understand or feel nothing about major events in history.  Exactly where have we discussed major events in history?  Exactly when have feelings been discussed?  And what do you know about my teaching?  And on what basis do you accuse me of having no curiosity or empathy?

 

No matter.  The questions were rhetorical.  You have no idea about me at all.

because of what you have said. Would you like me to quote your words back to you?

 

I have plenty of ideas about you from the information you have provided.


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#378 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:19 PM

well for a start it isn't for you to say what a person can or can't 'reflect on' whatever that means. Reflecting on my forbears experience in the two most cataclysmic events in modern world history  the effects  of which are felt to this day is considered by you not to be valid or meaningful: I find that reprehensible and intellectually bankrupt. 

I didn't at any time say that a person cannot reflect on what something MEANS.  I said they cannot reflect on an experience they have not experienced.  Thankfully, I'm not that bothered by what you think of my intellect.  You have never met me and so you don't know what you are talking about.


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#379 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:21 PM

because of what you have said. Would you like me to quote your words back to you?

 

I have plenty of ideas about you from the information you have provided.

I haven't mentioned my teaching ethos on here or my teaching practices.  I have not mentioned my feelings in relation to major historical events.  What you infer from the little I have written about Margaret Thatcher and how you extrapolate that to my approach to teaching or my values or my intellectual abilities lies entirely with you, but man you must be inferring and extrapolating on a very imaginative level!



#380 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:22 PM

A few months back me and you (i think it was you) had a bit of a disagreement (well ding dong) over this very point. I made this point that there are many teachers with this attitude.

Anyway best to call time on this and move the debate on

me too

 

Teacher's on the whole do a great job

The results they achieve, and the children they achieve them with are undervalued 


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