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#21 Matt J

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:01 PM

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#22 Saintslass

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:05 PM

I thought she did what needed to be done at the time.  Had Thatcher not been our PM back then we would still be living in the 1970s, God help us.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:07 PM

If your friend, she was utterly ruthless in protecting you.  If your enemy or an opponent, she was utterly ruthless in defeating you.  Unfortunately for most of my upbringing she was an opponent of my community and culture.

 

I won't shed a tear at her passing having spent many of my formative years growing up in devastated mining communities.  That said, I won't be celebrating either, it was 23 years ago she left power, that's a long time to hold on to hatred as so many people have done.  The old saying of "forgive but never forget" couldn't be more true in my attitude towards her.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:32 PM

True.

 

I doubt if anyone is occupying the middle ground.

 

Just me.

 

To some she was the saviour of Britain and other she was Satan incarnate. Like most people she was somewhere in the middle. A human, not a particularly humane one but a human nonetheless. RIP.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:49 PM

Ullman mentioned a whoop from his next door neighbour, but I was a bit wary of the reaction of the next person I was likely to see. I was in my delivery van, listening to music on the radio, when I thought I'd switch over to Radio Scotland for the forthcoming news. What I heard was "...cher passed away today after a stroke." I thought the name could have been Fletcher, but wasn't sure. Anyway, I delivered the mail to the next cottage, and then got back into the can to drive to the next address - which, coincidently, happened to be the home of the brother of a Tory MP (for somewhere down south). As I needed to knock on the door, I had to decide on what I would say if he or his wife were visibly upset - I'd just offer my sympathies in a general sense and not get drawn into the politics of it all, or her greatness (or otherwise). As it turned out the gentleman was in the garden and was very cheery and chatty! Either he hadn't heard the news or he doesn't share his brother's political views.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:57 PM

True.

 

I doubt if anyone is occupying the middle ground.

I am. I was too young to have any knowledge of politics when she was still in power, and her death now will have no bearing on what the current politicians do. I'll not mourn her, but I'll also not celebrate her death.


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#27 Futtocks

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:57 PM

There's been some right old horrors from the past crawling out of the woodwork to have their say on the radio.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:21 PM

There's been some right old horrors from the past crawling out of the woodwork to have their say on the radio.

I stuck Five Live on in the car on the way to and from the swimming baths this afternoon. It was wall to wall gushing tributes. So, I turned it off.

For those who disliked her politics it will be a difficult few days/weeks. Probably best to try and avoid the media.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:07 PM

i got a txt that just said "ding dong"
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:09 PM

I feel indifferent

 

it what sh did when she was alive that stirs my feelings.

 

As Futtocks alluded, we're going to cop it now.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:09 PM

From the Beeb:

 

 1702: Tony Gallagher Daily Telegraph editor tweets: We have closed comments on every #Thatcher story today - even our address to email tributes is filled with abuse.

 

It's a shame many of her opponents can't express themselves with the kind of eloquence her admirers seem to find easy. More people might listen to what they had to say.


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#32 Bostik Bailey

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:20 PM

It will be a cold day in hell soon, Apparently she has already shut down two furnaces.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:34 PM

i got a txt that just said "ding dong"

 

(the witch is dead)


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:42 PM

If your friend, she was utterly ruthless in protecting you.  If your enemy or an opponent, she was utterly ruthless in defeating you.  Unfortunately for most of my upbringing she was an opponent of my community and culture.

 

I won't shed a tear at her passing having spent many of my formative years growing up in devastated mining communities.  That said, I won't be celebrating either, it was 23 years ago she left power, that's a long time to hold on to hatred as so many people have done.  The old saying of "forgive but never forget" couldn't be more true in my attitude towards her.

Craig, I have never associated you with a mining background.

 

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:45 PM

From the Beeb:

1702: Tony Gallagher Daily Telegraph editor tweets: We have closed comments on every #Thatcher story today - even our address to email tributes is filled with abuse.

It's a shame many of her opponents can't express themselves with the kind of eloquence her admirers seem to find easy. More people might listen to what they had to say.


One of my friends who is a very devout Christian is being somewhat less than Christian in his attitude to this. Sadly this subject seems to have brought out the worst in some people.

#36 bedlam breakout

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:49 PM


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#37 Martyn Sadler

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:09 PM

From the Beeb:

 

 1702: Tony Gallagher Daily Telegraph editor tweets: We have closed comments on every #Thatcher story today - even our address to email tributes is filled with abuse.

 

It's a shame many of her opponents can't express themselves with the kind of eloquence her admirers seem to find easy. More people might listen to what they had to say.

 

I totally agree with this. Politics by its nature can be divisive, but to respond to Thatcher's death with gushing hatred doesn't achieve anything, as far as I can see.

 

Hatred is always self destructive, and also self-revealing.

 

The reality is that Thatcher was a child of her time. The country in the late 70s was in massive trouble, as those who lived through it should be able to remember. If you can't see that, you shoudl read the autobiographies of some of the politicians who were in power under James Callaghan, such as Denis Healey, to see how helpless they felt. Radical change was needed and, whether you liked it or not, Thatcher was the only one offering it.

 

Sometimes a politician just catches the mood of the electorate, as she did in 1979, Attlee did in 1945 and Blair did in 1997.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:17 PM

Martyn Sadler, on 08 Apr 2013 - 18:08, said:
I totally agree with this. Politics by its nature can be divisive, but to respond to Thatcher's death with gushing hatred doesn't achieve anything, as far as I can see.

Hatred is always self destructive, and also self-revealing.

I was chatting to a friend of mine earlier, who is about as 'left' as they come. This was his attitude exactly - criticize her policies and point out where she went wrong (in the eyes of those of a left-leaning persuasion, at least), but don't attack her personally. Once you do that you've lost the argument and not got your deep-held beliefs across.

It would be nice to see a bit more criticism of her politics in the media, though, rather than endless tributes from weeping Tories and Henry Kissinger. Perhaps that will come over time, once the hysteria has died down. I certainly hope so. I for one don't swallow the "she saved the country" line, as peddled out by Call Me Dave today. She fundamentally changed it, yes, but not all her reforms and changes were necessarily for the best. Besides, what's to say the country would have been "saved" (if it needed saving) under a different Tory leader or a Labour government?
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:20 PM

I totally agree with this. Politics by its nature can be divisive, but to respond to Thatcher's death with gushing hatred doesn't achieve anything, as far as I can see.

 

Hatred is always self destructive, and also self-revealing.

 

The reality is that Thatcher was a child of her time. The country in the late 70s was in massive trouble, as those who lived through it should be able to remember. If you can't see that, you shoudl read the autobiographies of some of the politicians who were in power under James Callaghan, such as Denis Healey, to see how helpless they felt. Radical change was needed and, whether you liked it or not, Thatcher was the only one offering it.

 

Sometimes a politician just catches the mood of the electorate, as she did in 1979, Attlee did in 1945 and Blair did in 1997.

The response to her death isn't about 'achieving anything'. It's a vent for those who were adversely affected by her, and also against the gushing nonsense we've been subjected to by the media so far today.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:23 PM

she had a big impact on my and my fathers life and we will shed no tears for her.

What does it mean
This tearjerking scene
Beamed into my home
That it moves me so much
Why all the fuss
It's only two humans being.





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