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#381 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:24 PM

This thread is getting too personal.

 

Even from the grave, she's dividing the workers.

I think it's a bit far fetched to blame someone having a go at someone else on Thatcher!! :lol:



#382 Wolford6

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:25 PM

Well, it's no wonder really, is it.  If you'd experienced the death camps or watched copious numbers of your friends die horrible deaths or indeed caused horrible deaths to your contemporary enemy, it could well be a real struggle to return to the site of the horror.  However, Margaret Thatcher did not actually do any of those things so to compare the two is simply hyperbole.

 

 

Try telling that to the mothers of Argentinian conscripts and of Welsh Guardsmen on the Sir Galahad.

 

Not that she did the wrong thing in fighting the war ... what sticks in my generations craw that she was way too arrogant and insecure to admit that she'd made a complete mess of allowing the Argentinians to have the confidence to invade. Then she censored twenty pages of the supposedly independent Franks Report into the war .


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#383 Saint Billinge

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:25 PM

Well, it's no wonder really, is it.  If you'd experienced the death camps or watched copious numbers of your friends die horrible deaths or indeed caused horrible deaths to your contemporary enemy, it could well be a real struggle to return to the site of the horror.  However, Margaret Thatcher did not actually do any of those things so to compare the two is simply hyperbole.

 

Who said anything about comparing? I was making a point that some people find it hard to forgive and forget, no matter what.  Sometimes it's worth keeping a cool head on here!  :rolleyes:


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#384 Phil

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:26 PM

I think it's a bit far fetched to blame someone having a go at someone else on Thatcher!! :lol:

 

 

 No its all her fault  :D


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#385 Wolford6

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:27 PM

I think it's a bit far fetched to blame someone having a go at someone else on Thatcher!! :lol:

It was a wry comment, not an apportioning of blame.

 

By the way, you're not winning the argument.


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#386 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:28 PM

Try telling that to the mothers of Argentinian conscripts and of Welsh Guardsmen on the Sir Galahad.

 

Not that she did the wrong thing in fighting the war ... what sticks in my generations craw that she was way too arrogant and insecure to admit that she'd made a complete mess of allowing the Argentinians to have the confidence to invade. Then she censored twenty pages of the supposedly independent Franks Report into the war .

So you think we should hold people responsible for the actions of others?  I thought that stopped once children had reached the age of maturity?  Thatcher was not responsible for what a mad military junta were thinking.  It was the Argentinian leaders who chose to invade and it is with them and them alone that the responsibility for the Falklands conflict falls.



#387 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:31 PM

Who said anything about comparing? I was making a point that some people find it hard to forgive and forget, no matter what.  Sometimes it's worth keeping a cool head on here!

Then why mention the Austrian?  That gave the impression of comparison.



#388 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:31 PM

It was a wry comment, not an apportioning of blame.

 

By the way, you're not winning the argument.

I'm weeping copiously! :rolleyes:



#389 Wolford6

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:36 PM

So you think we should hold people responsible for the actions of others?  I thought that stopped once children had reached the age of maturity?  Thatcher was not responsible for what a mad military junta were thinking.  It was the Argentinian leaders who chose to invade and it is with them and them alone that the responsibility for the Falklands conflict falls.

 

Thatcher was responsible for withdrawing the ship that patrolled and protected the Falklands. She knew exactly how Galtieri felt about the islands.

 

Galtieri was not an elected President or Prime Minister; he was head of a military junta that had seized power and was torturing pro-democracy opponents.


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#390 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:37 PM

because of what you have said. Would you like me to quote your words back to you?

 

I have plenty of ideas about you from the information you have provided.

Incidentally, you quoted me writing that I found Glenda Jackson's words embarrassing.  That does indeed indicate something about me.  It indicates that I accept women are individuals and do not fit into a particular brand called 'womanhood', something Glenda Jackson still fails to appreciate.  Her form of feminism traps some women just as surely as sexism traps others.



#391 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:39 PM

Thatcher was responsible for withdrawing the ship that patrolled and protected the Falklands. She knew exactly how Galtieri felt about the islands.

 

Galtieri was not an elected President or Prime Minister; he was head of a military junta that had seized power and was torturing pro-democracy opponents.

I did mention the military junta in the post you responded to.  I was alive and adult when the Falklands conflict took place so I am fully aware of the situation.  However, whether Thatcher was aware of Galtieri's thoughts or not, she is still not responsible for what he and his cronies chose to believe and the action he and his cronies chose to take.  That responsibility lies entirely with them.



#392 Saint Billinge

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:43 PM

Then why mention the Austrian?  That gave the impression of comparison.

 

Obviously, you do not know me. I'm not stupid to compare the two! 



#393 Wolford6

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:44 PM

I did mention the military junta in the post you responded to.  I was alive and adult when the Falklands conflict took place so I am fully aware of the situation.  However, whether Thatcher was aware of Galtieri's thoughts or not, she is still not responsible for what he and his cronies chose to believe and the action he and his cronies chose to take.  That responsibility lies entirely with them.

 

That's just a ridiculous statement. She had a duty to protect the islands; that's why they are a British Protectorate.

 

Under your philosophy, if she'd withdrawn the troops from Northern Ireland, it wouldn't have been her fault that the IRA suddenly started killing more Protestants and the UDA started killing more Catholics?


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#394 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:50 PM

Obviously, you do not know me. I'm not stupid to compare the two! 

Nope, I do not know you.  But good to know that you weren't comparing!



#395 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:52 PM

That's just a ridiculous statement. She had a duty to protect the islands; that's why they are a British Protectorate.

 

Under your philosophy, if she'd withdrawn the troops from Northern Ireland, it wouldn't have been her fault that the IRA suddenly started killing more Protestants and the UDA started killing more Catholics?

What on earth are you talking about?

 

All I said was that the Falklands conflict was the responsibility of the Argentinian military junta and nobody else.  They invaded the islands.  It was their decision.  They didn't have to do it.  Nobody forced them to.  But they did.  And Thatcher did the right thing and fought right back because, as you rightly say, the Falklands Islands are a British protectorate and so it is the British Government's duty to protect them.



#396 ckn

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:57 PM

I was going to lock this thread and reopen it in the morning but, on second thoughts, I won't.  I'll leave it to John to decide if he wants to hit the lock/suspension buttons...


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#397 Wolford6

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:04 PM

I'm quitting it anyway.


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#398 chuffer

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:05 PM

I was going to lock this thread and reopen it in the morning but, on second thoughts, I won't.  I'll leave it to John to decide if he wants to hit the lock/suspension buttons...

wtf?



#399 Saint Billinge

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:10 PM

I'm quitting it anyway.

 

Wise decision. Better to put the white flag up in surrender than continue a heated debate, that sometimes gets out of hand. Who would want to be a moderator?  



#400 Saintslass

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:11 PM

Wise decision. Better to put the white flag up in surrender than continue a heated debate, that sometimes gets out of hand. Who would want to be a moderator?  

A masochist? ;)






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