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#41 Maureen T-k

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 04:51 PM

It's not just about the mines! The miners strike was engineered by Thatcher to kill off the trade union movement, why else would she have chosen to close Cortonwood, a pit that had huge reserves and had just had millions invested into it? Thatcher was like the big, tough kid who goes to a new school. Instead of having to fight everybody she went for the Cock Of The Playground (Scargill). Once she had seen the miners off it was curtains for everyone else. Now we have toothless Unions and wage differentials wider than The Grand Canyon, and politicians talking about jobs created when these are mainly part-time at minimum-wage rates.


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#42 Maureen T-k

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 04:57 PM

No the miners strike was engineered by the hard left. They wanted the trade unions to rule the country via their politicians. Go back to Jack Jones and look at his record. Was he paid by the KGB? There is evidence to suggest so. Scargill was a Marxist who wanted the left to rule. The miners were incidental to the hard left's aims. There are signs that via Miliband who they support and control that they are getting ready for another hard line control bid. I have said before and I will say it again. The people who orchestrate these matters are only interested in power for themselves. Not the working man. That includes all politicians and so called union leaders. Time will tell. I am not commenting on this matter further as I want to get back to RL. Look at your real history and you will see the working man has always been exploited. Incidentally reports have it that they are spending more on gym facilities for prisoners than Thatchers funeral.


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#43 jamescolin

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:34 PM

You are right Mo. Soon to be in my 8oth year I ought to be a little more circumspect. I hold no animosity to anyone and know that there are rights and wrongs in every comment. I helped lots of  miners (financially without interest or charges) during the 12 month period. I count a lot of them (the ones still alive) as my friends. I have had my say and that is democracy, thank God. Back to RL for me . Up the Rovers, 75 years support this season.



#44 Robin Evans

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:42 PM

I believe most of what you've posted on this topic to be wildly inaccurate or wrong colin. However, I will defend fiercely your right to say it if that's what you believe!
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:04 PM

I believe most of what you've posted on this topic to be wildly inaccurate or wrong colin. However, I will defend fiercely your right to say it if that's what you believe!


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#46 Robin Evans

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:08 PM

Nah..... im rapidly becoming a grumpy old man me sen!
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:11 PM

Nah..... im rapidly becoming a grumpy old man me sen!


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#48 Griff

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 07:43 PM

I'm just relieved we didn't have a minute's silence yesterday.

 

A minute's applause I could've coped with.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:07 PM

You are right Mo. Soon to be in my 8oth year I ought to be a little more circumspect. I hold no animosity to anyone and know that there are rights and wrongs in every comment. I helped lots of  miners (financially without interest or charges) during the 12 month period. I count a lot of them (the ones still alive) as my friends. I have had my say and that is democracy, thank God. Back to RL for me . Up the Rovers, 75 years support this season.

I have nearly finished my 80th year, but can only claim 67 years support. The opinions of all those on this topic are set in concrete (including mine) and will not change one jot. So I have decided to get back to rugby league as well. But then again - if my ire is raised in future.....

#50 Eagletarian

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:28 PM

I'm just relieved we didn't have a minute's silence yesterday.
 
A minute's applause I could've coped with.

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#51 Robin Evans

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:40 AM

though cowards flinch and traitors sneer..........


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:59 PM

though cowards flinch and traitors sneer..........

I am tempted to say, then raise the scarlet standard high but I've not been to Stradey Park in Llanelli (Slash) recently.....Union is more a working class game in Wales, Pontypool was my team when I lived in Wales.....
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#53 Griff

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:08 AM

Stradey's gone.

 

I was going to go there for the Wales-Lebanon game back in 2000 but the floods stopped me getting there. Shame.


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#54 oldrover

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:10 AM

I don't recall being asked to vote for my countrymen to go to war. Whether we should sell off our national assetts, assetts that we all owned to make rich a few shareholders?
I don't recall being asked by "Bullying" politicians of the time if I wanted my local authority prevented from building new affordable housing for the vulnerable and/or most needy people in our society?? I can't recall my opinion being sought over the de-reg of the banking system which is rooted firmly and deeply in the mess we have today??

I was in BACM at the time of the strike.... and did my 12 months. I know exactly what it was like. I worked for the deputy chairman of BCC, Sir John Northard after the strike and was made well aware what the political drivers of the then government was and what the furture (or lack of it) held for the coal industry.
Some communities have never really recovered fronm that strike. That administration were intent on closing 95% of the industry and selling off just a small few of what was left of that industry. Many people involved in mining, associated businesses and their communities suffered greatly because of the political motivations of the time.
There are some deeply empassioned views from some families around featherstone who suffered because of the politics of the day.
I am not one who will celebrate the death of anyone, largely as the old woman that dies last week was not the Margret Thatch that inflicted her pain across many thousands of families and their communities. Her neurological deterioration was so severe she would not have had the capacity or memory recall to process what she presided over during her term in office. In essence Mrs Thatch died ten years ago!
But I certainly aren't going to condemn those that do wish to voice their legitimate feelings about the damage she did at that time.

I started work for BCC as a trainee accountant on sept 29th 1979. There were 232 pits, employing 229,000 people just underground. Add clerical, management, ancillary staff, transport, workshops, coal prep staff etc and that number rose to over 400, 000 employess.
I think there are four pits left now.

The industry has been obliterated. I too could go on but I'm reluctant to do so. The mines have gone.... so has Mrs Thatch. I shead no tears.

thanks for that Robin, i'm not afraid to say i hated that woman with a passion and i'm glad she's gone.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:22 AM

i can't agree the strike was engineered by the left, when the government was stockpiling coal for 12 months before the the strike. maggie also provoked scargill into striking in the summer months when demand for coal was at its lowest. scargill was a bombast and maggie played him.


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#56 Bob Crowther

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:12 AM

i can't agree the strike was engineered by the left, when the government was stockpiling coal for 12 months before the the strike. maggie also provoked scargill into striking in the summer months when demand for coal was at its lowest. scargill was a bombast and maggie played him.

New what he was talking about, OR, but made the  grave error of failing to ban all overtime during the twelve months prior to the predicted strike and therefore aiding maggies tactics by building up stocks. There should have been hardly a nugget stockpiled. 



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:18 PM

as you say Bob, an overtime ban and work to rule would have done it. i still think he's an arrogant bombast. Joe Gormley was a far better man.


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#58 Robin Evans

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:28 PM

So was jack Taylor of the yorks NUM. He was never from the far left. He came across as a principled bloke and brought south yorks area coalfield out 3 weeks before the rest.
His mantra was always about protecting livelihoods.
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#59 Bob Crowther

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:07 PM

So was jack Taylor of the yorks NUM. He was never from the far left. He came across as a principled bloke and brought south yorks area coalfield out 3 weeks before the rest.
His mantra was always about protecting livelihoods.
Far left my botty.

I do believe that he spoke at quite a few socialist workers meetings, Robin.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:37 AM

i can't agree the strike was engineered by the left, when the government was stockpiling coal for 12 months before the the strike. maggie also provoked scargill into striking in the summer months when demand for coal was at its lowest. scargill was a bombast and maggie played him.

 

Great post. ;)


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