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#21 Marauder

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:53 PM

You're right.  Scargill led the miners out on an illegal strike.

No he didn't


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:56 PM

How is it that a politician can have strong convictions and everythimg is hunky dory, yet let the people of Goldthorpe or anywhere else show the same conviction people don't want to know or is it that certain people are ashamed of where they come from nowadays, and don't like to be reminded of it seeing as we're all supposed to be aspiring.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:57 PM

According to the placard behind the BBC reporter 'USA done (sic) 9/11 7/7 for oil'

 

The world must think were nutters



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:07 PM

How is it that a politician can have strong convictions and everythimg is hunky dory, yet let the people of Goldthorpe or anywhere else show the same conviction people don't want to know

 

Id expect to see a public show of celebration at a civilians death in some backward Middle Eastern fundamentalist dictatorship rather than South Yorksihre. Still, it was a night out I suppose.

 

Lots of people came out of this weeks proceedings pretty badly, all of them on the left of politics



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:08 PM

anyone who was around areas like Goldthorpe etc during the strike will hardly be surprised that the bitterness has lasted. Given the hagiographies of Thatcher doing the rounds over the last week, Greatest human who has ever existed etc its not surprising to me that some of that bitterness has been re-ignited.

 

The metropolitan police acted like an occupying army in the south yorks coalfield at her behest, why shouldn't they celebrate her death?


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:11 PM

Id expect to see a public show of celebration at a civilians death in some backward Middle Eastern fundamentalist dictatorship rather than South Yorksihre. Still, it was a night out I suppose.

 

Lots of people came out of this weeks proceedings pretty badly, all of them on the left of politics

 

 

see my comment above, they're humans, they love their kids and their friends and they hate those that tried to destroy their lives and communities. There's nothing wrong with emotion, its what makes us human, the hate as much as the love.


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#27 knottla

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:20 PM

T Dub what is the difference of convictions between either viewpoint.

#28 T Dub

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:20 PM

You draw the line between emotion and barbarity somewhere different to me

see my comment above, they're humans, they love their kids and their friends and they hate those that tried to destroy their lives and communities. There's nothing wrong with emotion, its what makes us human, the hate as much as the love.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:23 PM

and as reports from Goldthorpe started on tv news Totalrl.com locked the Thatcherism thread and opened one about sleeveless jackets...

 

Orwellian news management is alve and well, and probably all Thatchers fault

(source:HP)

 

Don't worry, miss one such thread, there'll be another along in a minute. Oh look, here it is.

 

Anyone got anything new to say on the subject? Somehow, I doubt it.


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#30 T Dub

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:23 PM

T Dub what is the difference of convictions between either viewpoint.

No human being should publically rejoice at the death of another

 

Dont mistake me, I was no great advocate of Mrs Thatchers policy towards the mines but a civilized society should have some restraint and dignity



#31 knottla

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:24 PM

Barbarity as in what, I didn't see any blood shed, over emotive use of words I think.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:24 PM

Don't worry, miss one such thread, there'll be another along in a minute. Oh look, here it is.

 

Anyone got anything new to say on the subject? Somehow, I doubt it.

Dont blame you, looked like trouble

 

The papers and news are still full of it, so yes it seems there is



#33 Saintslass

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:27 PM

Barbarity as in what, I didn't see any blood shed, over emotive use of words I think.

There was plenty of 'over emotive' stuff going on in Goldthorpe as well.  However, burning an effigy is barbaric.


Edited by Saintslass, 18 April 2013 - 08:28 PM.


#34 Saintslass

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:28 PM

see my comment above, they're humans, they love their kids and their friends and they hate those that tried to destroy their lives and communities. There's nothing wrong with emotion, its what makes us human, the hate as much as the love.

Except the hate is ugly and looks ugly to the outside world and can't be justified 23 years after the person is no longer accountable and in fact has just died.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:29 PM

Dont blame you, looked like trouble

 

The papers and news are still full of it, so yes it seems there is

 

Nothing actually new being said though, is there. Just the same people in the same trenches firing self righteous arrows at each other and resolutely refusing to appreciate anyone else's opinion.


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#36 Saintslass

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:31 PM

Nothing actually new being said though, is there. Just the same people in the same trenches firing self righteous arrows at each other and resolutely refusing to appreciate anyone else's opinion.

Surely that's the nature of it all though?  And Goldthorpe was a picture of one side of that which has been discussed subsequent to the funeral itself.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:36 PM

Surely that's the nature of it all though?  And Goldthorpe was a picture of one side of that which has been discussed subsequent to the funeral itself.

 

None of the arguments are new. No one is going to change their opinion on anything. No one can see things from anything but their own viewpoint.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:38 PM

How is it that a politician can have strong convictions and everythimg is hunky dory, yet let the people of Goldthorpe or anywhere else show the same conviction people don't want to know or is it that certain people are ashamed of where they come from nowadays, and don't like to be reminded of it seeing as we're all supposed to be aspiring.

I agree with your general point, but I'm not sure what you mean by your comment about aspiration and its relevance to that point.

 

all people aspire, always have and in all sorts of ways. Shame doesn't come into it, and personally I've never seen any indication that it does.

 

At least this little cathartic ritual didn't cost ten million quid of taxpayers' money.

 

I think some of the comments made on here about the people of Goldthorpe are disgusting. This is an area of  major social deprivation and those that are being sneered at here are struggling to make the best of that situation.

 

I hope this thread gets closed as soon as possible.


Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 18 April 2013 - 08:39 PM.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:44 PM

None of the arguments are new. No one is going to change their opinion on anything. No one can see things from anything but their own viewpoint.

 

I wasn't aware that enlightenment was the sole purpose of a messageboard......maybe I'll start paying more attention.......



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:45 PM

Nothing actually new being said though, is there. Just the same people in the same trenches firing self righteous arrows at each other and resolutely refusing to appreciate anyone else's opinion.

I dont know, reviewing the early 80s after so many years has lead to a lot of new perspective and nostalgia.

 

It wasnt all bad, it certainly wasnt all good. Cabinet papers released show it wasnt all as we thought

 

We've heard a lot about miners and the Falklands last week, not so much about the Cold War/nuclear threat we lived under daily, Common Agricultural Policy/Europe, money supply, privatizations, Right To Buy, the IRA, Red Robbo, Red Wedge, Militant/SWP, Derek Hatton,public subsidy of British Rail/ British Steel/British Leyland etc, all stuff that was current then but less important now it's history

 

Not a word about how different it would have been under Michael Foot






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