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#41 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:50 PM

Except the hate is ugly and looks ugly to the outside world and can't be justified 23 years after the person is no longer accountable and in fact has just died.

 

 

Except the hate is ugly and looks ugly to the outside world and can't be justified 23 years after the person is no longer accountable and in fact has just died.

of course hate is ugly. Their experiences and their memories of them are ugly. The person has just died, and it happened 23 years ago, but these people still live in Goldthorpe and all that goes with it. 

 

The last time I looked the people of Goldthorpe weren't employed by the Yorkshire Tourist Board.

 

The idea that people shouldn't express feelings about events that had a major sometimes catastrophic event in the lives of them and their families because it's bad for the country's image is risible and a bit disturbing at the same time.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:51 PM

L'angelo thank you for your comments, perhaps now is the time to let things calm down even though peoples opinions will remain.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:51 PM

I hope this thread gets closed as soon as possible.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:54 PM

There was plenty of 'over emotive' stuff going on in Goldthorpe as well.  However, burning an effigy is barbaric.

 

 

There was plenty of 'over emotive' stuff going on in Goldthorpe as well.  However, burning an effigy is barbaric.

you have an odd view of barbarism

nobody was hurt, traumatised or humiliated.

 

36 people were killed by car bombs in Iraq the other day is barbaric

the boston bombing is barbaric

 

burning a bit of cardboard wood and plastic to vent a bit of bitterness and anger isn't barbaric whether you agree with it or not.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:54 PM

of course hate is ugly. Their experiences and their memories of them are ugly. The person has just died, and it happened 23 years ago, but these people still live in Goldthorpe and all that goes with it. 

 

The last time I looked the people of Goldthorpe weren't employed by the Yorkshire Tourist Board.

 

The idea that people shouldn't express feelings about events that had a major sometimes catastrophic event in the lives of them and their families because it's bad for the country's image is risible and a bit disturbing at the same time.

Express them by all means but within the bounds of common decency

It seems the Bolsheviks on here differ from the rest of that country as to where the boundary is



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:56 PM

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I dont know, reviewing the early 80s after so many years has lead to a lot of new perspective and nostalgia.

 

It wasnt all bad, it certainly wasnt all good. Cabinet papers released show it wasnt all as we thought

 

We've heard a lot about miners and the Falklands last week, not so much about the Cold War/nuclear threat we lived under daily, Common Agricultural Policy/Europe, money supply, privatizations, Right To Buy, the IRA, Red Robbo, Red Wedge, Militant/SWP, Derek Hatton,public subsidy of British Rail/ British Steel/British Leyland etc, all stuff that was current then but less important now it's history

 

Not a word about how different it would have been under Michael Foot

I shudder to think what would have happened under Michael Foot. 

Under Denis Healey though...well we'll never know.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:57 PM

So burning an effigy of a dead person is wrong? No more November the fifth then? Because it doesn't matter how long ago they died does it? Not if we're taking a "balanced" view?


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:01 PM

it's not just wrong.....it's barbaric



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:02 PM

Express them by all means but within the bounds of common decency

It seems the Bolsheviks on here differ from the rest of that country as to where the boundary is

 

 

Express them by all means but within the bounds of common decency

It seems the Bolsheviks on here differ from the rest of that country as to where the boundary is

who's a Bolshevik? 

What is common decency is a matter of opinion.

As it happens the demonstartions in places like Goldthorpe weren't my cup of tea, but I can see where the people were coming from.

A ten million quid funeral at the tax payers' expense with the country supposedly skint challenges my sense of decency far more than a few dozen peoples' burning a poorly constructed effigy and getting ratted.


Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 18 April 2013 - 09:03 PM.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:02 PM

it's not just wrong.....it's barbaric

Of course it's barbaric.

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#51 chuffer

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:05 PM

hmmm.....



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:08 PM

this is what you get for ten million quid in public services

 

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#53 Saintslass

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:15 PM

For those of you unsure of the meaning of the word 'barbaric', here is the definition from thefreedictionary.com:

 

bar·bar·ic  (bär-babreve.gifrprime.gifibreve.gifk)

adj.
1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of barbarians.
2. Marked by crudeness or lack of restraint in taste, style, or manner.

 

(http://www.thefreedi...ry.com/barbaric)

 

I was using the word as per the definition at point 2.


Edited by Saintslass, 18 April 2013 - 09:19 PM.


#54 chuffer

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:18 PM

subjective then



#55 Saintslass

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:19 PM

I think some of the comments made on here about the people of Goldthorpe are disgusting. This is an area of  major social deprivation and those that are being sneered at here are struggling to make the best of that situation.

 

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I come from St Helens: coalmining country where there was and still is a lot of bad feeling towards Thatcher.  However, nobody here had street parties to celebrate her death and nor did they burn an effigy.  There are areas of major social deprivation in St Helens too.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:21 PM

For those of you unsure of the meaning of the word 'barbaric', here is the definition from thefreedictionary.com:

 

bar·bar·ic  (bär-babreve.gifrprime.gifibreve.gifk)

adj.
1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of barbarians.
2. Marked by crudeness or lack of restraint in taste, style, or manner.

 

(http://www.thefreedi...ry.com/barbaric)

you had to look it up?

 

so anything crude, lacking in restraint, short on style and taste is barbaric. Well that opens up a whole new catalogue of barbarism-including Thatcher's own funeral.


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#57 Saintslass

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:25 PM

you had to look it up?

 

so anything crude, lacking in restraint, short on style and taste is barbaric. Well that opens up a whole new catalogue of barbarism-including Thatcher's own funeral.

Nope, I didn't.  I knew what the word meant.  It would seem some others did not, except in a narrow sense, and so I provided evidence of the word's meaning.  Had I not done so, no doubt you would have argued that I was wrong or hadn't provided evidence, etc, etc. 

 

If you think a stately occasion such as Thatcher's funeral was barbaric, which you didn't actually watch and so cannot judge as to its crudeness or any other aspect, then that is entirely up to you.  However, no effigies were burned and nobody danced in celebration of her death, not even the protestors, such as they were.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:25 PM

For those of you unsure of the meaning of the word 'barbaric', here is the definition from thefreedictionary.com:

 

bar·bar·ic  (bär-babreve.gifrprime.gifibreve.gifk)

adj.
1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of barbarians.
2. Marked by crudeness or lack of restraint in taste, style, or manner.

 

(http://www.thefreedi...ry.com/barbaric)

 

I was using the word as per the definition at point 2.

Would thatchers funeral be barbaric on the same budget the people of Goldthorpe had to make their effigy of Thatcher?


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:28 PM

Nope, I didn't.  I knew what the word meant.  It would seem some others did not, except in a narrow sense, and so I provided evidence of the word's meaning.  Had I not done so, no doubt you would have argued that I was wrong or hadn't provided evidence, etc, etc. 

 

If you think a stately occasion such as Thatcher's funeral was barbaric, which you didn't actually watch and so cannot judge as to its crudeness or any other aspect, then that is entirely up to you.  However, no effigies were burned and nobody danced in celebration of her death, not even the protestors, such as they were.

Your wrong, they set fire to the one in Goldthorpe.


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#60 Saintslass

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:28 PM

Would thatchers funeral be barbaric on the same budget the people of Goldthorpe had to make their effigy of Thatcher?

I don't think Thatcher's funeral was barbaric.  It was very dignified and respectful.  The choir was amazing, the readings were appropriate, the sermon was incredible and St Paul's was outstanding.






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