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#121 Griff9of13

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:34 AM

I doubt Major would have been obliged to attend John Smith's funeral as John Smith wasn't a Prime Minister or head of state.

 

I read neither the Daily Mail nor the Daily Mirror.  However, if links are provided to either in connection with a post then I will read them so that I know what the post is about. 

 

The licence fee IS a tax.  We are obliged by law to pay it.  Hence where the BBC is concerned we are all taxpayers and it is right that we are all represented. 

 

I think protocol dictates that if a senior serving politician (John Smith was leader of the opposition at the time) dies in office the prime minister is obliged to attend. It would be regarded as highly unusual had he not.


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#122 Trojan

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:40 AM

 That is clutching at straws completely. IIRC the royal wedding was declared a public holiday whereby the majority of the working population were given the day off work. The proportion of the working population who will have taken time off for Thatcher's funeral will be so minute in % terms as to be lost in the roundings. There is absolutely no correlation or comparison between the two events in terms of economic impact.

 

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#123 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:48 AM

I doubt Major would have been obliged to attend John Smith's funeral as John Smith wasn't a Prime Minister or head of state.

 

I read neither the Daily Mail nor the Daily Mirror.  However, if links are provided to either in connection with a post then I will read them so that I know what the post is about. 

 

The licence fee IS a tax.  We are obliged by law to pay it.  Hence where the BBC is concerned we are all taxpayers and it is right that we are all represented. 

he would have been obliged: Smith was leader of the oposition

 

the license fee is just that a fee. You are not obliged by law to pay it. You are obliged to pay it if you wish to recieve tv broadcasts. The fee is paid to the BBC not the government. the gathering and use of tax revenue is completely different to revenue gathered by a non government organisation for the provison of a service.

 

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#124 Derwent

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:05 PM

 

the license fee is just that a fee. You are not obliged by law to pay it. You are obliged to pay it if you wish to recieve tv broadcasts. The fee is paid to the BBC not the government. the gathering and use of tax revenue is completely different to revenue gathered by a non government organisation for the provison of a service.

Your general principle is correct but in actual fact the "licence fee" was reclassified as a tax by Parliament in 2006 (a move which was heavily criticised in the House of Lords), and is why the government was able to use some of the money towards things like the digital switchover etc when previously it would have been liable to pay for it out of the treasury funds.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:09 PM

 Your general principle is correct but in actual fact the "licence fee" was reclassified as a tax by Parliament in 2006 (a move which was heavily criticised in the House of Lords), and is why the government was able to use some of the money towards things like the digital switchover etc when previously it would have been liable to pay for it out of the treasury funds.

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#126 gingerjon

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:14 PM

 Your general principle is correct but in actual fact the "licence fee" was reclassified as a tax by Parliament in 2006 (a move which was heavily criticised in the House of Lords), and is why the government was able to use some of the money towards things like the digital switchover etc when previously it would have been liable to pay for it out of the treasury funds.

Is that also why the BBC now meets the costs of the World Service and S4C from the licence fee whereas previously they were covered by government funding?


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#127 Derwent

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:31 PM

 

Is that also why the BBC now meets the costs of the World Service and S4C from the licence fee whereas previously they were covered by government funding?

I think it probably is because previously the 'licence fee' was solely for domestic broadcasting by law, and the World Service was paid for out of central public funds. Now that the fee is a tax in statute, and therefore technically public funds, then it can also be used to pay for the World Service I assume.

#128 Saintslass

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:50 PM

I think protocol dictates that if a senior serving politician (John Smith was leader of the opposition at the time) dies in office the prime minister is obliged to attend. It would be regarded as highly unusual had he not.

Fair enough.  I thought protocol only applied to serving prime ministers and heads of state.



#129 Trojan

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:58 PM

 I think it probably is because previously the 'licence fee' was solely for domestic broadcasting by law, and the World Service was paid for out of central public funds. Now that the fee is a tax in statute, and therefore technically public funds, then it can also be used to pay for the World Service I assume.

 

I think it's possible that the BBC was obliged to cover the cost of the World Service, whilst not getting an increase in the licence fee  to oblige Mr Murdoch.


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#130 Bostik Bailey

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:38 PM

Saintslass, l'angelo, either get a room and quarrel in private, or put each other on ignore, because this is getting REALLY REALLY tedious now. :angry:

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Edited by Bostik Bailey, 19 April 2013 - 07:41 PM.





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